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The dialogue around LLMs is kind of broken both in terms of critique and advocacy. For critique, we need to focus on how we attack fascist tech power consistently — LLMs are only one part of that; merely saying "AI bad" has simply ended up with a lot of people using AI quietly while feeling shame...

Ben Collins@bencollins.bsky.social

People can’t just say this for literally years now and have the products it creates only positively affect spreadsheet people. Most people have profoundly negative experiences with this product because its utility remains pretty niche but targeted to the capital class.

And amongst AI advocates, there's too often the same tedious fallback to arguments of inevitability and "progress", which excuse the enabling of the bad actors in tech, and advance their authoritarian project. It's a failure of imagination, in addition to being complicit in their political goals...

The ultimate "right" answers are going to involve complex solutions that will feel dissatisfying at first, and that's hard to get across to people. First, there isn't one killer alternative, just like there shouldn't just be "use Bluesky instead of Twitter". There needs to be a healthy ecosystem...

And all of the options in that ecosystem have to be radically different than what people think of as being intrinsic to "AI" today. It is possible to build systems that use data consensually. It is possible to build systems entirely on renewable power. It is possible to build actually open systems…

I have not seen much conversation about worker-owned AI models, nor have I seen any unions talking about collectively-owned platforms, but that's what a good alternative should look like. I do understand people will say that sounds insane; It usually takes about 7 years until people think I'm sane.

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Once we have such tools, and once people have reframed their definition of what "good" AI is to be about these concerns rather than party tricks, it will be possible to have more constructive conversations. And there could be 1000s of different kinds of models, rather than just 2-3 big companies.

Anil, you must not know the union leaders that I dealt with. Or you know a whole different bunch. The truest of conservatives, in the 'as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be' sense.

lmao seeing that the guys guarding the hiring hall at the construction gigs I worked early in my career were the most racist motherfuckers I ever met in my life was certainly an educational moment for me as a teenager

Maybe it's because we are too busy talking about open-source, open-weights, + trying to avoid panicstruck politicians & regulators attempting to ban open dev/training of a truly "free & libre" model "in case it is used for abuse or terrorism", because of threads like yours? bsky.app/profile/anil...

Anil Dash@anildash.com

I have not seen much conversation about worker-owned AI models, nor have I seen any unions talking about collectively-owned platforms, but that's what a good alternative should look like. I do understand people will say that sounds insane; It usually takes about 7 years until people think I'm sane.

Source: I lived on the front line of the cryptography wars from 1990 through to 2015. I heard all of the arguments against and every time I see "https" in a browser toolbar I feel the world owes apologies to Zimmerman & several others.

One has to remember, the whole point behind corporate AI is when you use their service, you surrender the rights to what it creates to that corporate entity. They then own that IP and can regurgitate it into the algorithm. Meanwhile, you the user get nothing.

I was just saying on a different thread:

Jocibet@jocibet.bsky.social

One of the biggest flaws in the specific way the LLM AIs were developed, imo, is that the concept of “truth” was antithetical to “creative problem solving” (those quotes are doing heavy lifting whew). If I were capable of creating a company, I’d be begging Silicon Valley to fund my startup to

I do think this is where a lot of “AI” will end up. Smaller tools targeted for a specific use. Even for coding or writing I think tooling will gravitate towards multiple, smaller models that each do their role very well. I’m glad to see this one is open and I hope it sets the tone for others!

An ant has more compute power to control its life and actions than any robot AI. No central server needed. Really wonder what the world will be like in 20 years....

This is also why I think Apple’s original ML strategy was the right play. They had been focused on creating hundreds of small, local models that quietly helped me do the things I actually do daily. They‘d been adding ML engines to their SoCs for years before LLMs to power these dedicated models.

This is the conclusion that my (admittedly very local, admittedly very artsy) peer group landed on though! LLMs the technological concept are totally fine - if you do local, open-source models running on consensually trained data and clean energy. But "AI" as it *actually exists* is loathsome.

There are still other challenges - I personally still don't see a ton of utility for an LLM in most situations even if you work out the ethical issues - which is the biggest reason that I don't really bother talking up the alternative model. But if the value is there, then hell yes, do it up.

There are folks who are thinking about it but they're few and far between. Also generally not successful: bsky.app/profile/know...

Ted Han★ 韓聖安@knowtheory.net

I'm not going to say that this project was completely structured right, but they've broken down some of the challenges to adoption they saw for AI art built with an opt-in consent-driven use of artists' styles www.kapwing.com/blog/learnin...

Yes seven years does sound like enough for people to normalize whatever bullshit is happening right now.

This indexes into something that in my mind comes from Gebrus and M. Bender‘s work and advocacy and what I call "proper scooping". What‘s the problem that needs solving? What problem paths are we addressing? (With what desired outcomes?) Thus, where do we source the data from?

Unfortunately (maybe because I was just playing with my dog) I read that as "pooper scooping" which isn't as nice...

Worker-owned and operated AI and datacenters that align with ecological values is what humans desperately need but the mainstream narrative creates the wrong divide. Instead of humans vs. AI, it should be humans and AI vs. capitalism.