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The level of effort with which people dissect Will fucking [laudatory] Stancil’s every linguistic turn is psychotic

How can Bluesky be "part of the problem" if X/Twitter is simply unavailable to us for the purpose of influence? It's like saying Taiwan is "the problem" for the KMT, as opposed to the solution to the problem of "losing the Chinese Civil War"

No one is forcing you to use Bluesky or social media

It really isn't Right wing ownership of social media is the problem The only recourse is to #boycott because they need push back to make £$, to have a target for their bile Blue sky is a reminder that I am not alone, that there's millions of us decent people out there Blue sky=hope not hate

Are you saying that Bluesky is part of the problem because it's not enough of a solution? Do you think that things would be better if Bluesky didn't exist?

Will, it's not my job or anyone else here's job to make a billionaire fascist richer by subjecting ourselves to actual abuse through using their platform. Shitter is largely right-wing influencers, bigotted bots, and the US Government. If you want more engagement there, have at it.

Twitler certainly doesn't matter. It's a Nazi site owned and operated by a Nazi.

Yes I do. Every time I look at facebook comments, every right wing fuck in town going off. Their “discursive universe” entails screaming terrible shit at me & others. There’s no discourse possible.

What makes you think that 1 MAGAs on x were in any way persuadable 2 Non MAGAs would see Lefty x posts 3 Having a Lefty place to exchange ideas has no value ? IMO the contrary is true. Thanks for sparking discussion. BSKY still has plenty of Russian bots, fwiw.

I wonder if there's a term for that, when you treat reality as the same thing as your own experience

i don't see how you arrive at that conclusion inre the people on bluesky....unless you're getting a ton of people posting that on your feed...i've not had anyone post anything like on my feed or replies, nor when i read the Discover or Follow feeds do i see that.

If we're talking about micro-blogging... it doesn't? What is the evidence that *either* Bluesky or X matter? Right wingers have X locked down which means they have the eyes of "real people", right? So, uhhh, why is The Daily Wire and every other rightwing outlet tanking to shit?

Same, never got into Twitter. I just think I wasn't ready for this kind of social interaction yet. I only signed up for BlueSky to try to recruit for a resistance org, but then I sort of liked it

It isn't that we think it doesn't matter; it's that talking to Maga is like punching yourself in the face. Repeatedly. To no outcome of any positive nature. There's no changing the mind of a cultist. They just dig in harder. If there was a way to reach them, then, sure, let's do it. It's masochistic

Most folks I encounter here are fully aware, and accept, that this is not the center of the universe.

If you're job is to post content on the internet, you're either a bad person or being turned into a bad person by your job and should quit.

And yet here you are.

Most of them are robots. Just again, to be clear: Musk has FLEETS of robots built to act like people, all kinds.

The far right has systemically dismantled our ability to engage in the discourse. They own all the major social media sites, and they're halfway through a hostile takeover of cable news. It's incredibly frustrating, but I don't know how we're supposed to fight back at this point

This betrays a complete lack of understanding about how ideas explode out into the internet overall.

Don’t use it then

Get fueled and organize and educated here and carry it out into the real world.

Yeah, which is why I often speak the minority opinion on here. What people need to do is stop being so triggered by every opinion they don't agree with that they can't even read it and scroll on without becoming abusive.

I get blocked here for pointing out the most simple things. I think some people here have built themselves a little online SM Commune by blocking out any minor disagreement. I did leave twitter for a reason but do miss sports coverage and more news voices. Happy I don't get Kevin Sorbo tweets tho

The rest of the universe doesn't matter objectively. Wait until the volcano explodes. Most of X is robots. You guys are underestimating the number of robots among us. No one really uses X anymore. It is not even possible to use it unless you have a hard on for Musk. So, like 4chan and grifters.

Maybe we’re convinced this is a useful part of the discursive universe, not the be-all and end-all of all political interaction. I’ve long been convinced there’s no point in talking or listening to the right. Getting banned from X was a real gift to me.

No, the rest of the universe is either too busy trapped in capitalist enslavement, or just too goddamn stupid.

Wish I felt there was something "discursive" in the alternatives. And the "solipsism" you're referencing is alive and well in the alternatives, too.

models still hallucinate

Oh no! People who support unions & fairness don’t like tech that chews up water & electricity, mindlessly regurgitates words & artistic concepts of real humans, thus threatening the jobs of real humans, & leaves the humans who do use it less capable of thinking for themselves. Who’d have thought?

Yeah like pretending to be people on X. Most of their users are robots now.

👆👆 what she said

Some people are here to vent and calm down so they can fight another day in real life. Neither X or Blue Sky ever served as a debating arena with free floating exchange of ideas in relation to politics. Though I do like Blue Sky set up of specific platforms. The science ones are cool.

Yes, please. I keep seeing the kinds of comments that people like Stancil are making, but a) I have yet to see real data backing this up and b) what is the alternative? Staying on X is not a solution. And what's wrong with having an oasis from the madness, anyway?

My own anecdote, no one in my social circle, white boomer Canadian, knows what Blue sky is. I am under no illusion that much of what I’d “said” here carries any weight outside of this social media forum. Left Twitter long ago.

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You really shouldn't generalize. I'm not exiled, nor am I convinced. Fucksake.

Well then maybe there is a genuine area of disagreement. I think there are problems with Bluesky but I don’t think it’s a clear part of the problem being discussed (the decline of liberal influence on media). Anyway maybe we are now in some agreement as to how that so-called “reading in” occurred?

Where should people on the left go, then?

Use tires, a major contributor to plastics in the environment. What do you want? For reality to somehow be different entirely? I’m missing the value of this critique. “It’s an echo chamber, but don’t feel the need to return to x because it really is horrible and it wouldn’t help anyway.” We know.

And he does say in a subsequent discussion “I got over my skis on that one” so I think the mistake is acknowledged!

It’s definitely not calling Bluesky the problem. It’s calling the overall media landscape that has resulted in this situation the problem. More lamenting the lack of a broader exodus from X than anything