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Amen

I bought a lovely tiny colored pencil drawing of a long-tailed goldfish, as much for the accounting on the back as for the beauty of the painting.

Value to artist, not the art. Art as a commodity can only be “enjoyed” by the wealthy leisure class. What looks like a step in the right direction: www.artnews.com/art-news/new...

Weird how this game works - your labor is more "valuable" if it's unpaid! Until money ceases to be the way in which we pay for our basic needs, unpaid labor is just exploitation.

People are welcome to make art not for the money, but for the love of art. That is called a HOBBY. And I think everyone should have a hobby. But that doesn't mean people can't also make art for Money. What do they think movies, books, music, and everything else creative is?

If I were a billionaire, I would be a rennaisance style patron and hire an army of various artists to be artists.

Art will be the poorer if all that is produced comes from those who are richer.

Do they think celebrities will give up their pay? Acting and singing is a form of art and expression… Same thing 🤷🏻‍♀️

I heard Michaelangelo snuck into the Vatican every night to tag the ceiling

Yeah. Like, you ever wonder why there's so darn many portraits?..

can confirm, paid my rent for a year with a shareware icon-drawing program :D

we all work to live under capitalism, none of us can have clean hands

As a privileged middle-class dilettante who creates / plays music just for a hobby I totally agree that art in all forms needs to be viable as a career. JS Bach wouldn’t have produced the volume of genius work he did if he wasn’t paid to compose new cantatas every week.

On the one hand you have Black Ops 7, and on the other you've got God of War: Ragnarok. Both are huge projects, employing hundreds, costing millions, and made for profit. But one is still a goddamn masterpiece of artistry.

Give me UBI and I won't be writing for the money anymore, but, until then... I have rent to pay.

But the gold standard is EVERYONE being able to make art and not have to worry about being paid for it. Making people slaves to a paycheck is no way to run a healthy society.

Yes. "Well, we can't pay you, but it'll be great exposure for your work! And for a good cause. Think of it as marketing!" Meanwhile the person offering gets paid, as do the venue owners, ... everyone gets paid but the artist the public is there to see/hear.

UBI

nonsense. We can also have art from the wealthy-class dilettantes.

Art is essential to life. People so often don't value the time and effort put into a piece. My sister is an art teacher and a painter. She charges for her paintings by square inch. I've been told this is how it's done in the art world and the price per square inch goes up depending on the painter.

Creative work creates billions of dollars of value. It is the backbone of massive and popular franchises, among many other industries. Starving artist should not even be a thing based purely on the revenue creative work generates.

thanks for yr post...i'm on ebay lookin at tribal art. time for a new piece.!

Making "art by people in i6 for the mony ONLY the AI rip off artists There is nothing wrong with being paid to do what they love. Hell I am a Quality Assurance manager and love my job, should I not get paid either? Weird logic

"No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money." - Samuel Johnson

Ah yes, the privilege of the middle. We should be so lucky to be left with the art of weekend hobbiests. We'd end up with the crap upper-class failsons spew out.

I’ve been saying this for a while. It’s the same as science from the time before democracy valued research.

i hate to say it but i kinda feel like there's actually more diversity among the amateurs. the career artists seem to be massively biased towards an upper-middle class upbringing or higher.

What sort of pedestrian nonsense is this? Is the state subsidizing us? (Not this regime). Artists have ALWAYS had patrons. This is just an argument from people who want to steal our hard work.

Most fine artists historically made their living painting portraits for tourists on the street Or sponsorship by aristocracy.

I am pretty sure thats not how it works and that theres a lot more nuance to this.

This is unadulterated bullshit-many acclaimed artists never earned money from their art eg Van Gogh or for whom it was a secondary hobbie eg Velazquez…

The vast majority of really good art comes from those that can convincingly convey their views and struggles in life through their desired mediums. Those that share those struggles can connect with their art on such a granular level that it’s difficult to define why they love it so much.

Go back to twitter

That’s my Buisness model and through my social media platform artists can get paid directly from consumers with automatic royalties and reporting to agencies

We’d also not have most of the masters

The other side of the coin is that arts as a viable career can mostly be supported by middle and upper class buyers. Most other folks can only afford cheap products and replicas.

a better solution would be to finally establish #ubi .

Are being "not about the money" is weirdly new notion - for centuries, wealth and rich patrons knew to pay their artists. Hell, they sometimes paid education in full to have an artist on active retinue. "Poor artist" being romanticized is certainly weird.

Yeah, most if not all European "Classical" composers got famous because some rich guys paid them or gave them platforms in one way or another.

Or Financially support artists since they are valuable to society.

You are perfectly right — and yet I‘d say an important clarification would be that we do need art from people who „aren‘t in it for the money absolutely all of the time and above all else“ 😉

There will always be Van Goghs, Cézannes, Vermeers, Gauguins, Toulouse-Lautrecs, unknown now—art is innate. You can trust your own eyes before others recognize it as art.

We need a living wage equivalent UBI in this country. Far too many struggle far too much for far too little. Our founding documents say the gov't's job is to provide "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to its constituents. It's time for those who don't support that to get out of the way

Fascists suppress art. They don’t want the masses thinking.

NSFW creator here... The take that art should be produced not for money comes from a place of obvious privilege. Like I'll make a good pinup for fun, but if I get paid for it too, that's nice. But I pay for food with my art income, nothing wrong with eating.