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We need a way to resist greed. It seems every human institution can be ruined by corruption, layers and layers of it.

My awful mistake. Dr’s! Jane Mouton was also a PhD.

That works with a finite amount of resources and ecosystem constraints

Lol

The main problem with all socioeconomic systems is that none are sufficiently efficient at tackling human greed.

Why? The current system is working so well…

And include a three thousand page analysis of what “good” means in this context

We would need to eliminate the human trait called greed to properly implement such a system.

That’s called logistics.

What about a 3 branched system that contains checks and balances to maintain equal support of all citizens? And set a max net worth for people. If you hit $1B, you won and any new income goes to the people that got you there.

Anything involving more than a handful of humans will always run into problems. Sometimes fatally.

It has to include natural environmental processes. A circular economy based on ecology.

we did its called capitalism. but its been perverted by rich and powerful and become crony capitalism.

Such a social system could not involve humans

Good call!

Elon has a suggestion: everything to him.

I’m afraid AI is your best hope for that, God help us..

Gee, do you think that’s possible?

That would start with a divorce from the fiction of "creative destruction"

But we'd have to hand over control to the robots - humans would just fuck that up too 😒

*While we're all trapped in this resource limited planetary biosphere. Getting out is a hell of a trick though.

You mean like socialism? Capitalism is a system designed to have winners and losers.

Edgy teens keep blaming it for the human experience

Try the US tax code under Eisenhower. The top rate was 91%.

And still respects individual liberty.

The one we have will when each human being on the planet is included equally in a globally standard process of fixed cost money creation. Benefit cascades from correcting the foundational inequity. When we get paid our option fees instead of having them stolen.

Too large a portion of Americans have fully bought into the Prosperity Gospel and now we have completely turned over governance of the United States to people of extreme wealth.

Capitalism got us where we are. Not too bright.

Plug data into Ai. It'd be interesting to see a result.

It's a left-leaning Social Democracy. Not Communism or Capitalism which steal wealth from workers to some invented elite class of people. A system when it works helps people while permitting fair trade and livable incomes for most people. There's a reason the Haudenosaunee have had it for 400+ years

They’re too busy inventing spyware.

😂

I would rephrase the last part… “…good at allocating resources equitably and compassionately” I see inequity rising and people being treated inhumanely.

In 2000, President Clinton had a budget that had a small surplus. George W Bush cut taxes for the rich Mitch McConnell threatened to shut down the government if Obama raised taxes on the rich Trump cut taxes for the rich . . again McCarthy threatened to shut down if Biden raised taxes. Now Trump

It’s called a mixed economy and operated in the UK until 1979. Up until that point people were happier, society was more equal and output (GDP) was greater.

Capitalism + highly progressive income taxation to distribute public goods like healthcare, housing, and education seemed to work pretty well... until it didn't. Capital gonna capital. The fight against oligarchs and autocrats is eternal.

You mean like centralized planning in a fully socialist system. You know the ones that the United States likes to tear down because it turns out they don't like doing business with the United States likes to tear down because turns out they don't like giving us their oil.

.... and stop treating humans like a resource and treat them like expertise and skill... their own category.

Some lovely muck over here dennis.

Capitalism "new", we have been made to think it's synonyms with business but it's not. It locks people out once the monopolies grow big enough & leans to fascism when profit margins cannot rise anymore (because the basis of it is aiming for Infinite growth which would break the laws of reality

88% literacy? That sounds a bit high.

I think they call it the Army

Sweden, Netherlands and many other countries have figured it out. Funny those countries are also the “happiest” in the world.

Yeah, that totally exists. I think they're calling it "One World Government"; and everyone would be a part of it whether they like it or not, and everyone will get a social allowance, and the food and education they need is supplied. <-This is claimed, but I doubt it will function for long.

Read : www.calameo.com/read/0061818... With money, we are all dead. notre-futur.fr

Sweden?

They have. Now they are fighting to keep it.

You mean the way tribes and native cultures around the 🌎 share? Greed and ignorance are what killed all great ideas.

They have. It's never been fully implemented though. The closest we've come in the realm of universal healthcare is in our beloved NHS; successive Governments have been trying to privatised it by stealth.

I had heard there was a thing called Socialism?

i think the trick is in defining "good". 🙂

Like Marx

This is why I spend so much time talking and writing about gift economies.

Well in THEORY Communism was supposed to do that but it doesn't work in practice. Mostly because people are greedy.

Just a democracy where people can represent you & money can not. Imagine that. You vote for goals, by having talked on your governmentbook profile about needing that. Decisions how to achieve a goal are made purely by empirical projects & tests that slowly expand if they work. Sounds crazy right?

We have one: it's called Congress! You will see it in action after 2026 elections.

It's called matriarchy. It's what we had for basically 100,000 years until the last few thousand years when the men permanently took over

Tax people and corps based on networth instead of income cut the military budget because it is hilariously over funded, creating a UBI program directly tied to AI utilization across industries. Work on international tax agreements to prevent capital flight. There you go.

Capitalism starts to fail in the kinds of returns investors expect after land, people and resources to be plundered become more scarce.

Native cultures lived communally right? Socialism exists when fused with democracy it works better than everything else.

Beat me

Since there’s no form of accurate prediction to be able to allocate sufficiently, here’s some dice.

Politico-economic system is at the heart of the issue !

They have. It's called Democratic Socialism.

Yes -- like working out how much labour would be required to give everyone all the necessities of life (food, water, shelter, clothing, education, healthcare, energy, transport .....) after everything possible has been automated away and dividing this evenly between the people.

Whenever new liquidity enters the market it should go directly into a public investment account system rather than directly to the top investment banks. Individuals would each have their equal share and could decide to keep it there or transfer it out.

We do, it’s called capitalism, and it’s very good at making sure a tiny sliver of the human population hogs all the goods.

Resourcism!

You know who is really good at managing multiple tasks and allocating resources fairly according to need? Moms. We need moms.

Do mean for the Kitchen or the Bathroom please be more pacific !

Market socialism or a democratic marketplace will do the trick. Eliminate shareholder primacy. Read the book The Divine Right of Capital: Dethroning the Corporate Aristocracy by Marjorie Kelly. It was a game-changer for me.

Chinese are working as hard as they can on this

Capitalism and Communism both don’t function because real humans are messy, greedy, stupid and irrational.

They exist, the problem is you have humans that are gatekeepers. Humanity is functional 93% of the time on a sliding scale. The 7% wants to consume what we made, generating the inequalities. The corrupt 7% is why no system how perfect will allow US-All equality. We need better gatekeepers.

All hierarchies will fail because resources are allocated from the top and prone to corruption. The Cycle of Empires. Mesh society has no hierarchy. irreni.social

I'd rather have the manual sports package on dry land.

catchy, I like it

I love capitalism but only when minimum wages are livible and runaway wealth prevents billionaires.

I'll do it. Just allocate all the resources to me first.

What a great idea. It should be basic support, with a constant income...maybe...all encompassing. You could call it something catchy like, oh. I don't know. Universal basic income. Yeah, that'll do until I think of something better

Democratic socialism 👍🏼

The current system is GREAT at allocating resources. Just not, you know, in a way that's fair, rational, or good for people or the planet.

"Blimey! This redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought."

Um, It's called "Communism"? ... Oh, sorry ... You said, "good."

aka zero-sum game aka "I got mine fuck you"

Yup .... people. 😇 😃

What millenium is this again…?

But Marxism has been a dirty word ever since the elites convinced us that the workers are the greedy ones.

Please get irony…..

oh?! this globalized laissez-faire Capitalist death cult not good enough for ya??

Norway, Sweden, Canada - not perfect, but better than the USA.

The most essential thing is to prevent oligarchic fiefdoms, something all systems are vulnerable to. Free markets and capitalism work pretty well as long as anti-trust is strictly enforced as its own good. Break up companies and fortunes just because.

Landru.

I'm hoping it'll get sorted out when the AI is running things

Resource based economy

We have one. Ohhhhhh. You meant allocating resources equitably.

Ahem..

To EVERYONE…. Important clarification…

docs.google.com/document/d/1...

You mean a universal basic income? That would be a much fairer - and more transparent - way to issue the nation's currency.

Why don't YOU start?????

Marxism-Leninism

Has-Needs does it all! www.academia.edu/164447640/Ha...

Agrarian?

in a fair and equitable manner, with all citizens as equal shareholders - no judgemental Catholic/Ayn Rand crap

Pretty sure that’s how Insurance is supposed to work. You can see how that’s going to

There are many nut the operators keep on fucking up each system. The systems need more checks and balances on the operators

They have but the Republicans voted it down. "If you couldn't do it in the 50's we don't want you doing it now" is their motto.

It's been done. Finland. Here in America. Democratic Socialists.

Democratic ecosocialism, with cooperatives model for commerce. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world already work within cooperatives! But even just joining unions helps in short term.

Communism

Highly progressive marginal taxes, State overview on common goods, basic needs covered independently from income. That's just a start, but it has been invented long ago... 😑

Something that would provide for each individual's needs? Perhaps they could also contribute to the whole by doing whatever they're able to do. Just saying.

Why can’t we just go back to living in tribes and hitting people on the back of the head with a rock if they do some bad shit