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I think people forget that if arcade games were just brutally hard and unenjoyable until you git gud then they would not have been a successful business for 30 years

insane flow state while playing these kinda games once you drill time and energy into one single game and really get how to play.

I rec Void Stranger for that reason. System Erasure made a great shmup so it's no wonder that Void Stranger can plant the seed of enjoying the fundamentals of Arcade Game mechanics. I had to watch myself get better at a game against my will.

Its also just straight up not Organic for a scene of games to need a MarkMSX/Dev Interviews/etc in order to show people the games have value. I use it as an example, but nobody misunderstands Devil Daggers, they either bounce off or get into it

i guess ultimately i think the ambiguity is a trade off; enforcing modes of play will reduce ambiguity and thus bad posts from people disingenuous to the genre like the one that started all this discourse but will it actually make those people engage more deeply or just turn them away?

i think there's rlly two types of challenges on two ends of the spectrum and stuff like arcade/puzzlers are on one end and say, movement shooters are on the other i am a person that doesnt find figuring out the right inputs to press in the right order each time to be interesting, and that isnt a

imo i dont really think credit feeding is a problem like at all because truthfully some people like being hard stuck on a section until they clear it but like, it's good to get in practice using credit feeding regardless. its like a double edged sword

yeah like someone who doesnt give a shit about like going full hog into arcade games probably will not care to begin with unless you find some way to hook them and removing the one thing that lets them "complete" them even in the nonstandard way isnt the key i dont think

my gut tells me that, with the massive popularity of roguelikes, a compelling enough "you died" screen is a much better hook to get ppl to care. not to say the solution is to literally get rid of credit feeding, but I think them no longer being front facing defaults would have some upsides

i dunno how to design to solve it but for my part as someone who enjoys these games but is absolutely not like that highly skilled at all i will simply advocate that they’re good and worth more people trying, and you don’t need to be intimidated by their reputation

I think is a very funny thing specifically to evolve along the meta of everything being a roguelike now those two things are the same

Honestly the only difference is if the dismissive player finishes the game or not, I dont think removing credit continues will make them appreciate the games more, just prevent people who are interested from being able to practice

you did touch on this and i don't have the answer either, but i think infinite 1 button continues in these ports can feel sort of hamfisted, because at no cost you can effectively square peg round hole the level design until you roll credits but in totality its harmless and is mostly nerd stuff

which is to say, casual credit feeding can be fun (and also a good first step to *not* credit feeding), and certainly is not a problem. but the feeling some people have that you necessarily know all there is to know about a game as long as you've seen credits isn't great.

At the end of the day the games were still tuned to kick your ass so that you either put in more money or left so someone else could put in money. That people learned and got good enough to clear in 1 credit is almost fighting against the balance of the games.

RIGHT ok I see. Unfortunate, but not super surprising. Very much appreciate the clarification!

If you're buying new and have about $100 US the 8bitdo stick or the Mayflash F500 are decent starting options. If you see any used PS360 era sticks like the Madcatz TE in good condition those are good too (and will work on modern consoles with adapters pretty easily)

Ah thanks, appreciate it! That's a pretty fun topic to think about. A lot of the progression and fulfilment of these games in the current age really boils down to acknowledging what parts of the experience should or shouldn't be affected by current convenience and QoL imho. Just, try your best!

lol funny ass review

It's strange with how popular the Souls-like genre is you'd think the discourse would be more open to difficulty. But retro games are still being labeled as "unfun" difficulty.

tossing in my recent favorite Guy Like This www.polygon.com/steam-obey-t...

The algorithm took away the guy who was an incorrect asshole about games and nothing else that you knew of

oh FUCK i havent thought about him in like a decade lol

I felt this way in highschool in 2009, but I think that was just the effects of "new games journalism" on a highschooler

yeah they'd have to go all out and run their own website and include very lengthy, ambitious blog posts of nonsense to really get there

i don't know what the arcade game discourse was though i'm just inventing a more interesting one in my head to feel something again, don't mind me

Unfortunately theres a bunch of guys like this on twitter nowadays

now that's a guy I haven't thought of in years

we could probably stand to find or develop a good game for the format in either of those genres and i am glad to have the kinds of sickos on our team with the deep knowledge of the history of these games to make sure we have something satisfying/compelling