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They work for their founders, corporations and billionaires

I think the results are pretty suspect tbh. Some sort of challenges or recounts should have been called for. But she said "nope, thank God. I'm good". And went shopping.

Those who stayed home or voted 3rd party are to blame.

Fetterman is such a disappointment. The stroke must have damaged his brain.

It’s just for pretend. Apparently.

It's like it's a perfect storm. Vile corrupt dictator about to take power and a "by the rules" party unwilling to step up in the most dire hour of need and save the country/world. If there is a history book written after this, that's how it will be summed up.

When it comes to Republicans, I don't limit their ability to find someone worse than the current antichrist named Trump. Given the current cabinet selection choices, there seems to be unlimited choices for someone else as evil as Trump.

Also fraudster

Apparently there’s something even worse than a Trump and we haven’t descended into that hell yet.

Yes!

yup!

They didn’t do anything in 2016 when they knew there was election interference. They didn’t do anything in 2020 to safeguard our elections. They didn’t remove insurrectionists serving in congress. They set a precedent to not act & just get them the next time. They’re just giving away our democracy.

Oh nice 🙂

I suggest you ask a Congressperson like Raskins.

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Ad hoc objecting to electors only legitimizes the system.

If it is never to be used as intended, perhaps it’s time to be rid of it and go for a popular vote. Just think of the Supreme Court…5 justices were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote

They are a bunch of spineless cowards who are just filling their pockets and buying time.

The young Dems aren’t! So the old farts in positions of power need to get the fuck out of the way, both figuratively and literally, and let the Young Guns do what needs doing. They’re the ones that are going to have to live in the future tomorrow, after all. Let them fit it!

They aren't even trying to hide their intentions of absolute cruelty, and the corruption that got them this far. Why isn't anything that they do CRIMINAL enough to stop this administration from taking over? We can't just hunker down for 4 years, because they never want to let go of the Whitehouse.

sorry that's only for trump. by sam alito

While we're at it, why do we have laws when there's certain people (ahem Presidents) who aren't subject to them?

Exactly, 14/3 and EO13848... what's even the point of having a Constitution?!

Yeah!!

Going to DC to call for objection vote. Feeling optimistically un-hopeful, but I have to do something.

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He himself tried to use it in a nefarious way. Hard to imagine anyone worse. JAIL TRUMP!

I feel like our Whole Government is a Big Fat Farce. And guess what? We Americans are The Joke.

Fear.

You know who's fought against Trump the best? Republicans Against Trump & the Lincoln Project! Not Dems, but Republicans or ex-Rs. They know how to fight. Sad, sad testament to the Dem party, of which I'm a member. I'm embarrassed to the core of our leaders in this moment in our history.

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We need to utilize this now.

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😂 I hate them both equally so I won’t fight ya on it.

More like Windows 95!

It’s like the impeachment/removal clauses, they are the vestigial tails of a document that could not anticipate the nation that had a revolution returning to a syphillitic corrupt monarch.

Pieces ‘a Baloney!

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Because they didn’t think through the electoral college very well? None of this works in practice.

The Electoral Count Act of 1887 minimizes Congress’ ability to raise objections. Any disputes with the slate of electors is raised and resolved at the state level by the safe harbor deadline. In 2022, congress clarified that the VP’s role is ceremonial, and they also reduced ambiguity in disputes.

All that crap we learned about American exceptionalism. Crap.

Enact it!

Safe harbor has already passed. Time is not on our side. I bet we don't even have electors that would be willing to forge their signatures on fraudulent documents. Like the Trump fake electors did in 2021. While the mechanism does exist, we did nothing to pursue it. Unfortunately.

Great questions.

Quite the contrary in fact, the system was designed specifically for his exploitation. The continued existence of the electoral college, superpacs, corporate owned media, the influence of Christianity, wage and income disparities…this society will never hold a powerful white man accountable

Being facetious here, but the reason we have this mechanism, as with all “In Case of Emergency, Break Glass” constitutional protections is only for the Republicans to use.

Can you imagine being republican and not defending the Constitution against its enemies.

Truth

It’s not the law, it’s the will….the will has been bought. Let’s stop pretending the Republican House members are going to do the right thing …ever.

Right

Rules and laws are only to be enforced by the wealthy not on them.

Make it make sense!

LOL our Congress object? They are all worthless.

Yep, I remember holding out hope for this last time.

I’m with you. They want it to be worse than “destroying democracy” before they plug that tool into the socket? Sheesh.

Email and/or call your Congressperson

Love this “fashy adjudicated sexual assaulting insurrectionist convicted felon”

Now is a perfect time.

I'm sorry but it makes me wonder what is going on. What is there that we don't know about. Is everyone on the payroll? Does he have something on everyone?

Dems need some balls.

If it was a democrat it wouldn't have gotten to this point 🤔

One would think that a convicted felon, under appeal I believe, and adjudicated sex offender, appeal was rejected, are good enough grounds for objecting to electors. Grounds would be bring the office into disrepute.

thinkbigpicture.substack.com/p/donald-tru... Based on this article, I’d say that they are all afraid of the consequences of opposing Trump. Apparently, there are threats of violence to your extended family if you do so.

Another point, why did VP Harris concede if there was doubts in the process?

What bothers me most is that President Biden's Admin had the opportunity to safeguard the country from foreign elections interference and it just didn't do it, same thing happened during 2016 elections, and I wonder why?

100%. Same as impeachment and removal, it was made for him.

Great question!! Why is the Constitution?

Truth 😔The Ben & Glenn interview (my pinned post) clarified a lot for me. I’ve been into 14.3 for 6 mos at least. The short answer is that the constitution did make it for T, but the SCOTUS sabotaged its protection of us. They, violated their oaths. Ideally, they should ALL be kicked out on 14.3.

Why do we have electors if we're not going to us them? The EC was created explicitly to be a check on the common folk electing someone patently unqualified to hold the office of POTUS. No person better fit that definition than the Orange Felon, even in 2016.

No its for when dems win. Or that's how it seems anyways.

Sadly, the epitaph of the Democratic Party will likely be, "We kept our powder dry."

It should be used for him

You mean you're not? Have you not been paying attention?

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I think it's worth it. You can't give the Oval to fascists and think resisting after the fact will save us. It won't. The time to resist & fight is before the worst happens. Pres Biden should act boldly to save our democracy, history will be on his side. If he doesn't, his legacy will be trash.

When he won over HRC ppl discussed this the idea of trying to get electors to vote contrary to their states voters seemed wrong. Of course Trump didn’t see it that way in 2020.

You’re asking for showtime because “I don’t like who was elected” does not meet the narrow grounds in the ECRA which was intended to prevent the kind of bs we saw on 1/6/21.

Read the small print that the SCOTUS found… applies only to Democrats.

Because Democrats continue to cower. They’re more afraid of looking like MAGA than they are of surrendering our country to fascism. I’ve never witnessed such cowardice. Whatever happened to that fight talk they spewed during the election? We need to remember in 2026 and elect some people with balls.

1/6 => 14/3

Without our "candidate" leading the charge... She's basically vanished since Nov 06. Jokes on us I guess

We need to talk about norms what are the norms now for the party. I think a lot of people think democrats have a line that got crossed. The problem is should we are democrats going to be seen as going to far and using the republicans playbook or MAGA playbook will they be seen as no different?

I prefer the term *vaginas* They're a LOT tougher than balls

The two party system is absolutely a setup. It’s two sides of the same coin. They fundamentally disagree on every issue but one- the one that ensures they make bank off the workers. It’s lords and peasants. It’s always been that way until FDRs new deal- and one good man built the middle class.

Dem's need to grow a pair and start fighting back.

Every dem I voted for in my red state lost. Definitely makes me think why should I bother voting. If there wasn't an Electoral Collage at least I would think that my vote for president might mean something.

90 million didn’t vote out of 244 million estimated registered voters. That 90 million is larger than the votes cast for either major party presidential candidate. So thanks to apathy we’re headed towards 4 years of pure chaos. Yay. /s

Dems need to say hey we are just gonna send it back to the states for the fake errrr alternative slate of electors - not really do it but to prove a point!!

Exactly. It's for times when people actually say they made a mistake.

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I want them to do WHATEVER (as long as it’s legal) to stand up and fight! Taking the high road and being the adults in the room doesn’t mean we give up and become a doormat.

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So we can continue with this pretense that we still are this Shining Example of democracy in the “Free” world

I agree with the premise but the amendment is almost impossible to implement. If each state adjudicates which candidates are “insurrectionist” it would take 2 seconds for red states to decide every democratic candidate is one because of “open borders” or “betraying America with the price of eggs”.

It's worth a shot for the sake of democracy itself.

Because the last folks that did that stormed the capital and tried to overthrow the govt. Ma'am,the American people showed on Nov.5th they don't have the critical thinking and/or emotional intelligence to differentiate between objecting electors and Jan 6th. They literally voted for a senile convict

We appear to have many laws. Good laws, protecting elections, voting, candidates, electors, vote counting, but interpreting and enforcing the existing laws is a problem. The constitution clearly says who is eligible to run for President & who is not! So, enforce the law!

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Do all the electors faithfully reflect the will of their state's voters as expressed in the election? Yes. Will the outcome change because Democrats don't like the voters' choice and say so at the certification? Nope. Can everyone who voted for Biden but not Harris go fuck themselves? Oh yeah.

Why do we have a constitution if we aren’t gonna use it?

Exactly!

This is exactly the moment it was intended for, and our democrats better stand tall, stand together, and make this happen! There are no second chances. Also, this is precisely why we voted them into office. To protect DEMOCRACY.

We need money out of politics... Beaucracy needs to learn to act justly swiftly and efficiently... Dems need to grow balls