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in Finland where the automated tickets are scaled to your income--one rich guy got dinged for 121,000 euros--they also do not like getting traffic citations in the mail, SO THEY DO NOT SPEED

Boo!-per Lund@cooperlund.online

Another person whose car has made them completely insane

every speed camera has a big ass sign before and next to it, and they're punched into Google maps. they do not want you paying that ticket, they want you driving in a safe and sensible manner

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In Ontario, our conservative Premier ripped out all the speed cameras that he approved and then people went right back to speeding. Today's conservatism is 100% about using the law to punish outsiders and reward insiders.

yep. and in an American context it's just irritable low-trust "damn gubmint" libertarianism with a micron-thin coat of leftist sloganeering

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The Recurring Speed Camera Discourse is a bit exasperating really because, look, we all know what's actually happening is people just want to be able to commit the pertinent crimes and don't like being punished for it, but people come up with obvious post-hoc pseudo-woke rationalisations for this.

I do think at least some of it comes from people inherently realizing that A) there are a ton of bullshit speedtraps and B) american roads are built to actively encourage speeding, but IMO thats why you fix A and B and not go against basic ticketing cameras

There is no such thing as a bullshit speed trap, is the thing. People are more empowered than ever to know the current speed limit and to operate at that limit. If you get caught by a speed trap you are a distracted driver.

In the US, is Google Maps always quickly updated to changes in speed limits? It isn't in the UK. I think Waze is better, but I wouldn't rely on either. None of this contradicts your correct main point obvs.

the thing I saw in Finland I haven't seen anywhere else, including the US, was every speed camera clearly marked. not sure if they were getting that from the government though

In the UK they are all painted bright yellow (the point I think being they are supposed to disincentivise speeding on the spot rather than in retrospect) but don't actually say SPEED CAMERA on them.

And in the UK, as well as a sign before them, the cameras have to be painted yellow for high visibility. I'm struggling to see why a driver would rather deal with a cop than a notice in the mail.

I really think this is a big part of people’s resistance, what they imagine is randomly placed hidden cameras that will send you a $200 ticket for going 36 in a 35 while they’re being passed rather than what actually exists

The motivation for the people who agree to install the cameras is to enforce safe driving. The motivation for the people who run the cameras is to ticket lots and lots of people. It is a very American story where we introduce the profit motive into a public trust issue and f-ck everything up.