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> Then, they lost control of their own parties to those tigers;

They'd all fit in the current Labour party if it was called something else

Center-right always think they can harness the Alt-Right horse and ride it in their own direction. Never works, and they never learn. Because they can always retreat into their privileged world, unscathed.

I might quibble with ‘borderline’ 😀

💯 what Dutch right wing has done to our politics.

Exhibit #1, Peter Principled an entire country into the long grass

They also helped legitimise / amplify 'stop the boats' (and of course in many ways brought it about themselves).

🎯

Politicians of *all* parties are vulnerable to populist propaganda (even the left) because *all of them* went into politics to be the most popular kid in the school.

Sometimes it is almost certain that the policies they are promoting or defending are carrots for Reform voters.

Actually, as long as they got their tax cuts and deregulation, I don't think they mind the populist take-over all that much.

It’s the very same mistake the finders of AI have made. It’s a short term win win mentality with zero consideration of the chimera they’re ultimately funding. And fuck the consequences. Wasn’t me gov attitude. For which all of humanity pay.

Think of a family. Dad works to feed, clothe, house his wife and two kids. Mum and kids do their bit to do housework, cooking, shopping etc. That’s socialism Dad works. Keeps most of his pay, gambles, drinks, goes out alone. Kids and mum poorly fed/clothed. That’s capitalism Simple eh!

See: David Brooks, George Fucking Will etc.

The center right are still running the country.

When push comes to shove it’s not about calling for bad things to happen. The 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written for a reason and anyone who wants to dilute or change any of those human rights should be not be considered central, they are far right enablers.

Your point was that it's dishonest and dim to blame Remainers? Because that didn't seem like it was your point. But if your point was it's dishonest to suggest Remainers were responsible for the disaster of Brexit, which was brought on by conservative racist dickheads, then apologies for missing it.

The latter was not a *centre*-right line ofc. In any event the replies here demonstrate my point. People are keener on cheap, inaccurate tribal mudslinging than they are on the compromise that effects more inclusive and productive outcomes. And all are punishèd.

Or run museums

I’m guessing this is about Mathew Syed’s abhorrent article?

Always better to hold up Norway as an example than Russia. However I think alot of Remainers screwed up after the result by trying to refight the battle instead of building support for a soft Brexit

It is utterly unfathomable to me that anyone still courts Kwarteng's opinion on economics or politics. Just a complete broken, unserious country that allows that to happen.

Blessings be upon you💕

Perhaps if we genuinely try to understand what makes a person, other then racists, attracted to Reform we might be able to stop the rise of that abhorrent party .

Yes, best post here. What is their economic offer to working age people? And social conservatism is of little interest to vast majority of anyone under the age of about 40. So all that's left is culture war bollocks to boomers.

There is no "Centre" you either understand we need to dismantle capitalism/fascism with people focused ideologies (socialism/communism/anarchism/syndicalism) or you don't, in which case you are right-wing.

The doughnut right?

Unpopular opinion: Part of the problem with Oxford PPEists in public life is that none of them ever bothered to study the elective on international relations in the era of the two world wars, or learned the appropriate lesson.

I always had him as solidly right wing. Someone like James O’Shaughnessey is more on the borders of it

Probably still would. Everyone on the right thinks they are much closer to the centre than they are because they are all on X sniffing each others farts and thinking it's representative of the country.

Never in history has there been an example of a fascisty type being satisfied with getting what they are demanding - they always push for more and more extreme positions. Eternal shame on anyone who could see in plain site what Farage is and who still helped him.

agree but at least in Britain, Labour have also been legitimising nativism for years and are now in a bind because of it (in terms of counterproductive immigration policy and Brexit). As far as I know, left parties in Denmark and in Sweden have also embraced nativism.

All true. In fairness, and having served ministers of varying degrees of integrity, there was another faction to the centre-right that disagreed, but Johnson duly purged it. More than one half-decent ed sec was lost that way. There were the unwise and then the craven.

I feel that & those going on about Labour not being pure to their utopian vision damning; the very ppl trying to turn the Tory mess in favour of social justice & fairness. I find those assaults worse sometimes to bear. I just want better health, education, housing, opportunity for ordinary ppl.

I could live a thousand years and still never discover the logic of Lexit. Brexit had plenty of fantasies but Lexit left it standing in a cloud of dust on that score.

Absolutely, he knows exactly where it's all heading. There's a brief cutaway to MC back at the club as they are driving away and he just gives this very knowing look and slight nod - it's a genius bit of editing and it gives me goosebumps each time I see it.

Yes. He's seen that fanaticism before, and all he can do is shake his head at it.

This is such a good post. And, despite 14 years of centre right govt that has obviously resulted in everything being worse, the majority of journalists still fail to offer any analysis or ask any questions that go beyond a basic centre right narrative. "Where is the money coming from?" etc.

Anne Frank's drum kit.

There’s a center right?

Speak for yourself, i hate them appropriatly

It's a short stroll from smashing up restaurants to smashing up the economy.

So desperately afraid of his anti-EU backbenchers and whether they'd post a vote of no confidence he sought appeasement and sold the UK down the river for it.

...and determined throughout the Brexit campaign to resist any "blue-on-blue" attacks.

Fair enough. Difficult to tell on here sometimes.

He could have worded it better, but there is a point to which he was trying to say.

Some of us have been shouting about the center-right and its collaboration with fascists for more than a decade, liberals called us "alarmists" 🫤 S'almost like the alarm needed sounding or something.

Like the centre-right in the UK that first did hardline austerity when interest rates were at rock bottom after the financial crisis, then thought they could do a Brexit referendum and win, and then finally handed power to the most corrupt British PM in modern history.

Why do you believe they’re center-right

65 working from age of 10 to & still working today. What I have learned in this time is that the political landscape really hasn't changed much but the labels stuck on it definitely have & every label are media driven. Far Right to Far Left all Labels with very little meaning to the average person.

I guess that's my point. The "center right" lost control of their own parties because the populists they allied with realized they didn't need them anymore and seized control.

Yikes. I'll level with you, I have no idea what the Lib Dems have been doing for years. Barely even seen mention of them. Doesn't surprise me if they are full bigots tho

Economically speaking all parties are at best, centre right. They still embrace the creed of private sector knows best, small government, low taxes (for the wealthy and corporations) trickle down bollocks that gave us the 2008 financial crisis and from which ordinary people have never recovered.

What a nonsensical comment!

You are right - IIRC Fidesz got thrown out after years of Orbán's antics finally got too much even for Manfred Weber, the EPP's amoral poison dwarf. The end point is the same: no official centre-right party remains in England (I am sure) - and I think none remains in the entire UK?

The Islamic Republic began the same way… Centrists/leftists in Iran supported the 1979 revolution by Islamists. These centrists/leftists assumed they would mitigate Islamic extremism and take power of the new democratic republic once the Shah was removed. It didn’t turn that way.

Grieve was still using Parliament to resist Johnson’s Brexit strategy after losing the whip. To treat the One Nation centre-right as accomplices rather than among Faragism’s most consequential Conservative opponents is ahistorical, sectarian nonsense. 2/2

I find this truly contemptible. Philip Hammond, Dominic Grieve and the other victims of Johnson’s 2019 purge put principle before party and, in several cases, knowingly sacrificed their parliamentary careers to resist the populist capture of British conservatism. 1/2

I can see your point but that’s not really what happened. By 2015 UKIP were already a major forcesecond in 120 seats and 4m votes. That pressure had been building for years Camerons referendum was an attempt to deal with the problem, not create one. He just expected the British public to be clever

Great phrase.

100%

Clegg is an example of a bloke falling up a sky scraper after jumping out a 1st floor window

But also David Cameron would not have been PM w/out Nick Clegg...

Lest we forget, Nick Clegg proposed an in/out referendum on EU membership in 2008. www.libdemvoice.org/the-surprisi...

And then buggered off into a well funded retirement

True. I just finished reading Sarah Wynn-Williams' book "Careless People" and from the offset, the author's vision of idealism believing the platform could improve global connectivity and communication was doomed as Zuck never shared the same vision - his was always about money.

Yeah I think this is an overlooked aspect. Cameron utterly failed to present an argument for Remain, assuming it was a foregone conclusion. Then stated he would deliver whatever the result, then he resigned and buggered off leaving the country in the lurch. www.theguardian.com/politics/201...

I stood in front of the TV that morning as he resigned and literally shouted at it ‘that foolish man doesn’t even understand what he’s done and we’re all going to pay’. Like everyone I am sometimes wrong, but at times like these I wish I was wrong more often.

The coward, Cameron. Despicable.

That tweet:

See Brexit is dead but the body still lies rotting in our living rooms. Get rid of it. Death by 1000 Brexit ameliorations is still death. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FZLQW9TQ #Trump #Putin #Brexit #RejoinEU

The sight last week of Cameron talking about prostate cancer screening when he and Osborne butchered 40% out of PHEs budget and effectively destroyed the NHS capacity and capability will be his legacy.

He made me hate Emily Maitlis and Jon Sopel after hearing them, on their podcast, bragging about going to his wedding, They’re all in it together, innit.

Truss cost us £30bn www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-6361... Johnson’s Brexit a minimum of £180bn bestforbritain.org/brexit_impact/ on top of Truss’s losses #NeverTrustATory #BrexitHasCostBillions