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Ha.. you really think they would admit that

This isn’t even news worthy. We all knew it was a lie from the beginning.

how did ANYONE believe this fckn con man ????

Vance wrote the foreword for the book The bulk of the political media is generally a mess. You would think the ones always writing their first drafts of history would include the parts of the narrative tgat are onerous and that likely will determine the near future. But, nope. They often repeat lies

"But we didn't know he was a con man despite his years as a serial liar." It's one thing for Fox viewers to be gullible, but the NYT, CNN and the rest?

I've often felt that journalists should challenge the listener to examine their beliefs more closely. Most anti-Trump rhetoric is immediately dismissed by those that most needed to hear it as simply oppo-speak. "You're a Democrat [or lying MSM outlet] so you would say that, wouldn't you."

Trump lies as he breathes and it is so natural to him Trump is the only person in the world you don't have to dig dirt on All you need to do is just quote him

I plan to rub their noses in it whether they own up to it or not. Naive Pollyanna shitheads

What does it matter? Why would anyone trust anything that comes from the orange guy? There's no reason whatsoever, and the saddest part is that voters didn't care. I really hope that all those rooting for him are going to get royally as..f..ed.

accountability is for "the little people" Mike, its not as if these people have any skin in the game, it's always "sucks to be you" as we've kept receipts, noting his truthiness and whats in the platform and who is filling his campaign staff and coffers.

I think we should name names though.

‘expressive responding’ is a phenomenon where individuals respond to surveys in a way that aligns with their political beliefs or the cues from political elites, rather than their actual behavior. academic.oup.com/poq/article-...

America was lied to... It was obvious much of the content was just not true. I need proof that latinos voted for the orange menace. I don't buy it...

They didn't "get rolled", they played along

….. that some think the orange heap is an honest believable person stuns me. Really???

They are too busy heading down to mar-a-largo to try and get off the press hit list.

It’s only “getting rolled” if it comes from the Rollé region of France. Otherwise it’s just sparkling idiocy.

There was literal candid camera video of the project 2025 dude laying out the plan of purposefully downplaying it during the campaign FFS. Any fact checker who carried water for the Trump campaign on this issue failed to consider the actual facts.

Monday; "I don't know these people". Tuesday; "These are great people". Wednesday; They are RHINOS and losers". Thursday; "They are great people." Trump is more capricious and less honest than a 4 year old.

"Trump keeps lying and saying this isn't true, when it is" how hard was it to say that, come on

They knew what they were doing.

They knew it was a lie, just like everything else Trump says. They are compromised by either oligarch billionaires or Putin in the case of the far right media like Fox, OAN, & NewsMax.

Man I'd LOVE TO READ THAT RETRACTION by the New York Times for fucking this up so terribly.

Did he lie to us?

Journalists are enaging in lazy ethics to avoid making hard decisions. They enable lies and misinformation to spread in the name of presenting themselves as credible sources of information, without recognizing that the damage done by the former is far more important than the latter.

One more thing! They use division like a currency. You're neighbors aren't that bad. Listen to them. What the heck are you peddling?!

They rolled in full knowledge they were rolling

Why CLEAR Blue Sky? Moses was about to die while his people were on the verge of their biggest military challenge. Moses: "Be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for it is the Lord your God who goes with you. He will not leave or forsake you." Deut. 31:6. FEAR is all MAGA has.

Well, there were always those of us who knew better. We KNEW it was Trump's doing, no matter what anyone else said. Why didn't more people see the writing on the wall? When you select a VP that wrote the introduction?? What else was there to think??

This is not a surprise at all.

Then they would have to admit all the other times they got rolled also.

This was a problematic topic across the board and how to approach it. It is factual that Trump disavowed it, but what does that mean later? Fact checkers can't Fact check predictions. We went with this instead at Logically Facts: www.logicallyfacts.com/en/article/w...

I was shocked when Politifacts did the same.

Stating that is meaningless though because Trump's said it both ways. All it does is obscure the facts.

We're talking about the fact checks. Saying "Trump denies this", which is did, is nothing close to saying he's a valid source himself.

Exactly - the fact checks would state that, but also note the close connections he had with the authors of Project 2525. That's what they need to do, to be responsible journalists.

literally can't trust the fact-checkers not to carry water for Nazis in these fallen times

The lying is a feature. Doesn't everyone know that?

If only they learned to focus on what he does and not what he says. Still an effective strategy going forward.

His motives were always out there. It’s the character of the man and some people just can’t see it no surprises here.

Great lying fraud . WORLD CRIMINAL .

Why would they admit they got something wrong when they got the candidate they wanted? The media loves Trump and wanted him to win! They’ll never admit they got something wrong if it went in Trump’s favor!

As always too little too late

Absolutely crazy-making how everyone was giving positive evidentiary weight to "shit Donald Trump says" in the year of our lord 2024

Agree,but were they rolled or was it reflexive bothsiderism and cowardice? Nothing was evermore obvious than that Trump was lying. Being afraid to call out lies and report the obvious truth meant they lied to their audience.

It’s precisely what’s wrong these days. Republicans can say whatever they want and promise whatever they want. Because the media landscape create echo chambers of info and facts/“alternative facts?

OK. This should be a surprise to NO ONE!

They knew that they were lying then

This is but one more example of the bald lies told by the p-elect. Everyone knew and that means no one didn’t know but so many preferred these lies to whatever dim sense of honest reality they had then.

Are you kidding? Imaging a certain husband & wife writing team EVER admitting they were wrong or duped. Or the ex Rolling Stones guy who gives off serial killer vibes. Nope, never.

Imagine that he lied.

Well for sure he didn't read Project 2025. Trump probably just wants to keep them inside the tent lest they claim credit.

The thing is trump isn't picking these people. His people are. He's not that interested in any of this. Trump was and is a symptom. The disease is all those that run the show behind the scenes. They're the dangerous ones.

…like they wanted him to win.

hmmmm good question

They never believed this. “Fact checking” has been weaponised. One has to *pretend* that Trump he cares about truth.

generous to assume that they were somehow duped instead of just lying

Community notes was full of it too on Twitter saying that Trump had disavowed it under anything mentioning Project 2025.

Joke’s on them, I guess. I canceled subscriptions to WaPo and NYT, blocked all those outlets on here, and will definitely shrug my shoulders if they actually do start getting roughed up. Fuck ‘em.

ANYTHING tRump says should be understood to be a lie. Look at his actions, past and present. He's NOT going to change his ways or his mind's world view.

Has the first buddy commented on the project? What’s the veto algorithm in the incoming admin?

And got what they wanted

*before

😂😂😂

If people don’t know that every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie, then I can’t help them.

The rule is and should always be: a Trump denial is verification of truth

They are complicit. Constantly changing their narrative to garner attention to their product.

“Right wing” Fascist/Christian Nationalist

When history records this era the press will not fare well

They're complicit.

Nope. In fact, I've seen them say things like, "Why didn't Harris talk about this more? "

I'm not sure Trumpy's waterboys in the national press are capable of that kind of shame

Good point.

It was always mind-boggling to me as Trump has always been a liar he's always gonna be a liar the man can't speak without saying a lie.

How can they rely on a serial liar's word as a "fact check?" It's hilariously stupid.

The thing that astounds me is that they believed him. He's a pathological liar and everyone knows it, so the fact they they thought for a second that he was being honest with his claim blows my mind.

Nope. (That's a piece I would read, but I doubt it ever will be written!)

Hah, no. There *will* be a bunch of books next year however from the same dupes saying they knew or were told that Trump was lying all along.

To say they got “rolled” is being kind. It doesn’t seem possible to me that they actually believe anything that Trump says. They simply choose to report “just the quotes, ma’am” as if they were facts. It was and continues to be deeply irresponsible and destructive.

YOU MEAN HE LIED? WHAAAAAAAA?

Fact checkers that don't caveat all Trump or Maga statements with 'although they lie literally every time they open their mouths...' Are just propaganda stenographers

I doubt it. Mainstream reporters seem to be mugs, dupes, and rubes these days as opposed to anything useful.

Elections have consequences.

Did the Times ever admit they got rolled on this? www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/u...

His minions lift him up.

That's such a chickenshit response omg

What an embarrassing response. Are these people well?

misinformed, uneducated - their focus is on how good they look on camera.

But people are upset that Biden has pardoned Hunter Biden. 🙄

It’s like they forgot who Trump was for the last 10 years during the campaign

Why would they start now?

Trump *saying* it, even repeatedly, HARDLY makes it true! Trump never offers EVIDENCE for his claims, only his word. Which is WORTHLESS.

come on. they aren’t that stupid. i don’t think they got rolled i think they’re complicit. none of them were ever going to genuinely report on him or the horrors we knew would come with him.

I don’t think anyone wants to write the ‘Well, we were clearly credulous idiots’ column that they ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FUCKING BE MADE TO WRITE

I have a 52 year black client who voted for Trump, she has 3 daughters. Every argument I put forth she had a quick and callous response. All I said to her, you Fucked around and YOU WILL FIND OUT.

I've tried to avoid making a lot of post election back seat strategist comments, but I think for many voters, explaining what policies would be bad and why, was more important that referring to a document with a bland name that few have read.

This is a rhetorical question, right?

They can quote his denials, but then decent honest journalists (?) find out exactly how many times the 100+ people who wrote Project 2025 visited and how often Trump in the last six months before the election. They know and choose not to print.

The gaslighting has reached critical mass, I’m out. I still have not watched MSNBC or CNN since Nov 5. Canceled my WaPo and NYT subscriptions. All I watch is NBA basketball.

Gee if only they didn’t think a convicted Felon and a Guilty Sex Offender would actually Lie to them! 😂🤣😂🤣😂😉 www.teepublic.com/user/fun-pun...

Fifty pinnocchios lol

Um, I’d like to see links to the actual fact checks under discussion to make sense of the claim here. Fact checking is a completely different activity to interpreting someone’s intentions or predicting someone’s future actions.

No. And they won't. They. Wanted. Him. To. Win. He's good for clicks and that's literally all they care about. It's that simple. Really. Please stop pretending modern news has standards, credibility or ethics. They don't. And we should ridicule any journalist who continues to contribute to them.

“Kamala Harris says it’s pouring rain outside. A Trump campaign spokesperson denied this.” [files story] “Can I haz paycheck now?”

Fear of fearmongering again leads to a horrendous reality…

You mean he lied??? And “got to lawless while Harris had to be flawless???” Shocking! Billionaire owned “journalists” mishandled the fascist lie machines.

Except - most of the Republican platform incorporated most of the ideas from Project 2025.

We told them, they denied it, they voted for him. They now own it. I have no f@cks left to give.

In absolutely no circumstance is "X denies this" a fact check unless the assertion being checked is "X has never denied this."

Lol. Yet to see the correction for the Iraq has WMDs oopsie.

Still happening today. Trump isn’t even president yet but Biden barely in the news and policy being made from Mar a Lago. Even world leaders are just following America’s narrative at this point. The “news” world order.

There's no point. The billionaire-owned media was on his side and is now going to transition into State Media.