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yes, after you ran the gauntlet that is installing the pre-requirements that need to be very specific, are not specified and search results are all over the place, depending on the weather at a undisclosed time at an undisclosed location. or something to that effect.

Linux toolchain: "Install packages, compile, run." Sounds like a walk in the park. Windows toolchain: "Install Visual Studio 2022, WELCOME TO HELL, BITCH." Sounds like a trip to the DMV, but with more existential dread.

and god help you if you so much as open tf2 while its secretly updating in the background

Reject Visual Studio. Reject XCode. Embrace vcpkg.

@cyberciti.biz, did someone do a cp on your skeet?

Dont know anyone who does like this on Linux. I do: git cone adress Read README and INSTALL start config scipt with options I like make run

OpenBSD ports ftw

Full stack using Homebrew!

The problem with that is that not every Linux distro, not even all the prominent, common ones, use the .deb package format, and it's resource intensive to maintain a deb, rpm, and whatever the hell arch uses for it's packages. Flatpak is a good compromise. Snap can fuck all the way off though.

May your words reach Tux 🙏

Agree: Windows 11 is the worst for building software packages. All the backend stuff you have to shut down is way too time consuming. still have a Windows 10 I will remove from the network next october.

.net is nice tho

One day A small group of hackers or ai will solve all computer problems and bitcoin and ai will disappear and our combined carbon footprint will shrink significantly

It's a living. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Lol. For real though!!

linux toolchain 1. install nothing because the compiler came pre-installed on your distribution 2. compile 3. run windows toolchain 1. install packages 2. packages don't work 3. give up and cross-compile from your linux install

Yep, summed up my college computer science life. They had us working with Visual Studio, only to push the code to a Linux machine for the actual submission. I just thought it was easier to cut the middleman and have a separate machine with Linux myself

Real

mac, install xcode welcome to hell, except there is a genius bar that has appointments in 5 weeks time to teach you how to move the mouse.

Same for me except first it’s terminal icon, second is installing OMZ and *then* I get homebrew

i havent subjected myself to using xcode recently, but that's what i remember.

Manjaro. Aur. None of that.

windows is sickening glad i switched to linux years ago

Infuriating when I have to use windows and want to do something and realize I can't just run sudo from the command line and make shit happen.

That's why for Windows you never not use MSYS2 packages, Zig is the best C/C++ compiler by the way.

3. always get the VS Code and VS 2022 icons mixed up when starting one or the other

I've been developing something for Xbox on and off for a few months now. I fully blame Visual Studio for making it impossible to do anything so that I only come back to that project every other week or so

I’d probably port it to rust first just for fun.

destroying the computer is the right move here honestly

i used to destroy computers spiritually for a living gave about an hour to this, different revs of eigen each was missing a header it was looking for ignoring that, it also was unsatisfied with the shipped clang for a chain it recognized.

sadly i need it on windows and i don't think houdini would like trying to run something that's not x86

this is relevant how?

ah. it's a blocker for me at least, I was going to give it the old college try

It's taking a lot of self-control for me to not spin up a Windows VM and make this the first thing I try to compile with w64devkit. Instead of doing my actual job and fulfilling family responsibilities

I'm a beginner programmer on windows and I swear half the battle is packages

Honestly I still think Turbo Pascal for DOS may have been the best IDE ever.

I think you’re doing it wrong.

This usually happens when your machine is in an enterprise environment managed by Devops. Otherwise, you can ignore updates forever.

Professional rocket software engineer here: accurate

GW-BASIC was peak BASIC, for sure.

Vscode is nothing compared to MSVC (which I believe is what OP is referring to)

Linux is King and Queen of the homecoming ball

I have often said the last good windows program was W7.

Would that that was true. While most precompiled applications for distros like Ubuntu are pretty stable, any that is compiled from source is likely to have a stream of dependent libraries that make compilation less than straightforward. I haven't used Windows for some time though, so can't test.

./configure;make install all

vim

No way. I still remember these times, I was pretty nerdy. It was a mess.

I feel exactly the opposite. The .net ecosystem and dev env is rock solid. On a new computer I can download and install VS2022 and start working in half an hour (with a good connection). With Blazor and EF Core I can develop and publish an app with dB support from scratch in 1 hour. It works. Ever.

no cmake integration

Write? No. Build / deploy / <verb of choice> -- yes. Especially if your stuff has to go through CI/CD.

This is why CMake is a godsend.

Windows: *Boot up computer, Welcome to HELL*

I have an app that needs dot net 3.5 and no matter what I do, it fails to install. I am hoping that a fresh build will fix that.

lol so true

Or that moment when you accidentally open an XML file in visual studio, and realize that you've just accidentally just wasted 30 minutes of your life.

i wish i didn't have to install or compile anything. i just want everything to work if that sound idiotic to you, that's because i am idiotic

* community edition, since IT support is so slow with getting Enterprise version licenses

Bwahahahahaha! As a #LinuxMint user who also LOVES #KDEPlasma....I curse Microsoft! Curse, you hear me? CURSE!

I only have Visual Studio to run legacy stuff, Visual Studio Code for everything else

My super fun step 1.5 for windows: IT fails to install .NET framework, leaving me unable to do any of the work I needed visual studio for.

Yes.

in my fairly limited experience windows either works easy or is a monumental pain to run with zero inbetween, on linux everything is a comfortable medium of suffering which i'm firmly in the camp of at this point

I know what you mean. Generally, a distro has a tool like 'apt' which maintains a database of installed apps which it uses to make sure that all dependency libraries are correctly installed. However, you do get an occasional hiccough when a dependency is deprecated.

Sir it's 2005, what's Bitcoin? I'm watching this new thing called YouTube while speculating on Florida real estate, cause it'll be hot forever!!

Visual Studios is simpler when i wanna do something like MAUI app dev though, or anything else that requires 30 mins of manual setup

Linux toolchain / windows toolchain

That is about right…has been that way for years. Finally, gave up and made the switch to Linux a few years back.

the first time I used VS..... donwload, install, and the wrote the code.... then I pressed compile.... nothing appen. 🫠 But I thought, I pressed that button that says "are you writing in c? don't you and bla bla" .... soo what's the point.. 😅😂

I will defend a lot of things about Windows but Visual Studio is an enigma to a degree I can't even begin to explain.

VS 2022 is the benchmark of IDE's. The other IDEs copy VS. Your troubles begin with $hity build libraries.

Even just updating Visual Studio can quickly turn into a pain the ass