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Creating a hugely expensive, onerous, and almost certainly cruel nationwide bureaucracy to somehow task, monitor, and manage millions of wildly differently abled people as they do 20 hours of weekly community service... ... to address a 'feeling' that someone may be getting something for nothing.

I hear what many of you are saying and agree but this would still be a terrible idea even if it weren't coming from Farage and thus laden with hypocrisy. It's important to defeat dumb policy on its own merits too, in case it ever finds a less obviously disqualifying champion.

This stuff makes me so angry. Spend 15 seconds thinking about how this would work in practice, especially outside of a major city. It's the start of a new month in Bowsden, Northumberland, population 200. Three people must do 20hrs service this wek. What happens? Who organizes it? How? Where?

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Person A must find tasks for Person B and C. Person B is tasked with monitoring that Person A is working hard. Person C is tasked with monitoring whether Person B is sufficiently dilligent in monitoring Person A. We have solved economics!

They can go to Berwick to do their service. It's only 23 minutes on the bus. However, one thing people in London will not understand, the bus only goes once every two hours!

Even setting the travel aside, so now Berwick Council, presumably, has to find make-work jobs for the unemployed of the entire region. Keeping track of how many hours they've worked, when they've failed to show up, dealing with sick notes etc. How? With what resources?

Who determines whether you have "laboured" enough in the last hour? Is there a number of bags of leaves to be filled after sweeping them up? What if there are no leaves this week?

Right, we're talking about an enormous number of labour hours to be extracted from people who almost by definition are struggling with the labour market and its demands. 150k FTE worth of work so you'd need...10k managers? Minimum?

This is an idea of a wannabe government in waiting, not an actual government. It's goal is not to get people into jobs, it's goal is to get Reform candidates into parliament (ironically). They would have to be wilfully stupid to attempt to implement it once in power, ethics of it notwithstanding.

Build a Workhouse where all the Despicables for the whole area can be relocated and forced to work perhaps crushing bones for fertiliser (yes, it did happen)

I imagine those 3 people would be made to travel to Morpeth, Blythe, even Newcastle to complete it. On virtually non existant public transport, that would lead them to getting sanctioned for lateness or absenteeism, which would then lead to prison as a lesson to others. Daily Mail would be ecstatic

Conservatives believe governments can't do anything efficiently, except apparently running a perpetual nationwide make-work scheme for millions of people so cost-effectively the savings and benefits outweigh its massive implementation costs.

What baffles me is all this talk about cutting the welfare bill, ok you do that and what are you going to spend all the money from cuts? Servicing the national debt, investment? Into what?

I think it will work… So long as community service consists of doing exactly what Nigel did to get paid his secret £5 million. What was that again? Seems highly effective, we should scale it.

Logically any workfare scheme would require people to supervise it - how much would that cost & are people prepared to pay the taxes required for that supervision?

The average Reform supporter would _love_ that job. Many of them are retired and would do it for nothing just for the sadism.

As a country we're obsessed with the idea that if one person out of 100 is maybe, possibly on the take we should make things as difficult as possible for the 99 no matter how stupid and costly that is to put into practise. Everyone must suffer because of the suspicion around the 1%.