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I wouldn't have an issue with a commemoration of 9/11 including an acknowledgement of the crimes committed by the US gov that were a result of 9/11 Honestly addressing one without the other gives a false impression that there is such a thing as actions without consequences

Nah, there is no bad day to point out the atrocities committed by our government as a response to 9/11. Our government used thousands of US victims and dishonored them by committing countless war crimes in their name. Netanyahu is doing the same today.

We probably should have

So your issue isnt actually with what he said specifically but that he acknowledged other suffering? You are disgusting

Yeah, we should never fucking be allowed to forget the bullshit we did to a country that DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

Israel has killed an order of magnitude more Palestinian children than the total number of Israelis who were killed (both by Hamas and the Israeli government, by the way) on Oct. 7. And, Israelis murdering Palestinians is still ongoing! So maybe, just maybe, know your place and be quiet.

Absolutely true... And for 70+ years before 2023.. Lest we forget.

Israel has been killing, forcefully removing, and torturing Palestinians for a century, and most Israelis are complicit in this. Yes, October 7th was a terrible tragedy that killed a lot of innocent people, but Israel deserves no sympathy for an attack in a war that they started.

boo hoo bitch

I'm Jewish and I think this statement is a pretty good distillation of the "never again" I was always taught.

AYFK. You all seem unable to distinguish between ann initial decision to go in vs outcomes so this conversation would be a waste. Yes, he was in Afghanistan and participated in training Al Qaeda. Yes, he moved after the invasion. Yes, the Afghanistan war was a shitshow.

is it right to tinker with the government of a country you don’t live in?

Japan

I’m going to assume everyone doing their cute little gotcha WWII replies would also love it if their own right wing hell government were replaced by a foreign power rather than their own people

Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11

There’s a big difference between the decision to attack the Taliban, Al Qaeda in retaliation and the 20 years of bullshit that followed. When it went sideways, they should’ve left. But the initial decision was justified. To get back to the original topic, Mamdani is a bitch for not calling that out

Yeah, and that’s where I started. Mamdani was wrong for not calling that out on 9/11.

Yeah we all know the mission creeped and failed. But imagine sustaining an attack like 9/11, knowing how, where and who planned it, and then NOT going in to attempt to dismantle the organization.

Not to mention we have both parties who loved it so much that we had Obama expanding Bush's targeted killing program, leaving more bodies than his predecessor.

...which still doesn't change the fact that not a single official talks about any of that during/around the 9/11 anniversary or ceremonies because it would be in incredibly poor taste and offensive to the families/loved ones of the victims. There's 364 other days per year to do so.

No.

Does Hamas have genocidal intentions?

We should be lectured on the Iraq invasion lol. Everything else just justifies islamophobia and Imperialism ... Coincidentally, both these things apply here as well

I mean children arguably can handle those better then nation states

Correct. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.

I was wrong about the kibbutz being on illegal territory. But uh you are wrong about Gaza not being occupied after 2005😬 "In 2005, Israel unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza Strip, but the International Court of Justice,[2] the UN General Assembly,[3] and the UN Security Council continue to

Right, certain tropes are never too risky. Agreed.

We should indeed remember what we did in response to the 9/11 attacks when we remember them. It’s maybe the most important thing to remember!

Did you “heart” your own skeet?

No one does that.

We killed a million people Chucky. It's ALWAYS worth recognizing that.

There is no "but" and no "sorry"

for me 9/11 anniversaries are about searching for justice and humanity — for victims, survivors and our own souls

Why should he have to stop because of what he said hurts your feelings? Why shouldnt he remind the world that what's happening right now is because the US continues to enable it and we allow them to? And btw, yeah we did deserve 9/11 because of our presence in the Middle East...

Mamdani literally just gave a speech on 9/11 that didn't mention the Afghanistan or Iraq wars or their innocent victims.

When was the last time Mamdani brought it up on the 9/11 anniversary?

Cool, so when you go to a funeral do you make a point to talk about how whoever died had it coming?

That’s the norm. I’ve never heard a memorial ceremony of 9/11 that spends any much less 2/3s of the time on the wars on the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Shut the fuck up

Shut up racist

No it’s a perfect time to blame Nutinyahoo for all of this terrorism! HE KNEW!! Where is the Israeli outrage for their people that he let them be martyred

Unfortunately, Hamas doesn't have bases in Gaza, they operate within residential areas and tunnels. I sympathize with the Gazan civilians who were caught in the middle. But going into Gaza after the hostages was justified.

Or commemorating the anniversary of Pearl Harbor by criticizing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It’s really worse than that, Charles. Mamdani’s intent isn’t to teach or even lecture. He’s deliberately inciting hate by rewriting history. The real history, the real problem, is genocidal Arab aggression against Jews, which he is carrying to the city he took an oath to protect.

Nah, he did great. 🤷