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wikipedia turns 25 today! the last unenshittified major website! backbone of online info! triumph of humanity! powered by urge of unpaid randos to correct each other! somehow mostly reliable! "good thing wikipedia works in practice, because it sure doesn't work in theory" - old wiki adage

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thank you to the tireless volunteers of fandom projects for collectively absorbing jimbo's desire to fuck up wiki sites, and also condolences

Hey depths of Wikipedia! I was a fan of yours on Twitter years ago and it's only on seeing this that I'm away you're on here now. I'm so happy to be able to read your posts again and keep up the good work!

Wiki was, for me, a deep dive into seemingly infinite untapped knowledge when I was finally granted access to the web. I used to spend hours clicking every page link. Unfortunately I was mostly learning about superheroes but still

Love wikipedia and give annually to their funding campaigns. This is such an important resource especially as the quality of online info becomes more ideologically and diluted. Words I never thought I would be typing....

happy birthday to a website that should never have been forced into being political and yet there are people out there that feel that it threatens their illegitimate rule so they fight it

Of course they're not "using ai to create wikipedia content", that possibility never crossed my mind. They had many ways to solve the scraping crisis, and managed to pick the worst possible one. It reveals a lack of an ethical centre at Wikimedia.

I remember reading the proposed concept and thinking "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard - that will never work - who is going to put time and effort into that?" and I'm super happy to be dead wrong. Amazing work everybody.

Wikipedia and Reddit have managed to remain mostly supported and engaged with what’s left of those of us that aren’t mushed brain scrollers

Operating imperfectly in an imperfect world, Wikipedia still deserves support. I do that by being a Wikipedian, correcting clear errors that I can document and fix, and occasionally translating pieces from Portuguese into English. It's a civic duty, like voting.

unironically fond memories of my high school librarian who famously said wikipedia was the devil's handmaiden, and now it's the last reliable source on the internet

That old adage is one of my all-time faves. And yes, happy birthday to us all (said the very occasional editor and token donor). Amazing that it works, amazing that it *still* works. A shoutout has to be given to Jimmy Wales, for not trying to cash the whole thing in.

jimmy can have a shoutout but a lot of the push for the nonprofit ad-free model was from the early volunteers, 2001 to 2003ish era! jimmy listened but he kinda had to bc volunteers would have left otherwise. (spanish wikipedians left en masse at mere mention of potential banner ads in future!!!)

Instead, he created a spinoff which was called Wikia, now Fandom. It’s a good example of how right those volunteers were cos Fandom is barely useable with all its intrusive ads

It would be nice if ad supported websites could function, but that whole market fell apart years ago. That's part of why Wikipedia is so singular.

I joined in 2004, and by that stage the model was set and seemed the only thing imaginable. I only learned about the history later on, and I have so much respect for the early Wikipedians who fought that fight, and set Wikipedia on its path.

Definitely fair. But still. He had plenty of opportunities to do the wrong thing in the years following, including but not limited to very recent offers from Musk.

the thing with wikipedia is that everything is already licensed for everyone by the contributors themselves, which means the foundation can't meaningfully sell it (they can't even lift the attribution requirement) they seem to just be charging for high-volume api access and tech support

I remember first hearing about the site. When I checked it out, it seemed like they had a page for everything. It was almost 20 years ago when I edited the page for Zangief. Yeah, my edits are long gone now, though I wish they had retained some details.

I'm not thrilled about this, but it sounds like these tech firms would have been training their AIs on Wikipedia's text regardless and that this is mainly a way to minimize their load on the site's servers while pulling in some additional funding.

Yes. They've had an "enterprise" API for a long time that's designed for this sort of thing. It generates revenue while also reducing server load from bots scraping articles (which apparently has become a major problem).

speaking as an exhausted member of a tech team who's had to ban entire countries because the AI bots were harvesting thousands of websites on our university infrastructure without even pretending to pay us for load or content: channeling the bots and making them pay is the best available outcome

I was introduced to it by a very autistic person who posted on a forum I used. At the time most of the articles were in German. That person also had 14 browsers on their computer (including a DOS browser) but that's another story.