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Per a family member in East Tennessee who works at a BBQ joint, the Trumpers at work are MAD about Trump and Vance’s attack on Zelenskyy + the mass firing of veterans who work for the federal government. So that’s a data point

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Sometimes I go look at my NE Alabama family's various Facebook people and this guy is a local preacher and member of a conservative society so I base my "what are the white-supremacists-who-deny-they're-white-supremacists thinking" on him

They want to hasten the apocalypse so Jesus will come and take them to heaven where all this will be forgotten. Jesus, famously tolerant of falsehood, cruelty, and wickedness, will definitely overlook the abject rejection of his final commandment - love thy neighbor - and give them all they deserve.

Let’s see what they say after right wing media gaslights them. This always happens. They see what he did and then the media whitewashes it and tells them they didn’t see what they actually saw. They soon believe the lies to stay in the cult.

I think this is meaningful... though to some degree more as a "if they're saying it then median/non-Trumpers are deeeefinitely getting pissed too". I just don't even know if real Trumpers *can* really reach escape velocity anymore if they're not also completely remaking their information diet.

I got someone claiming they’re not REALLY mad and like, this is a family member who works with these people every week and I’m pretty sure he is in fact capable of determining if people are Upset or not

The best thing Democrats could do is stop running for office to see how the (R)s cannibalize themselves without scapegoats. Give the people what they want: to be victimized by rich assholes who fill their pockets with loyal voters' Social Security and Medicare coffers. Let them be taught to scorn.

Once you realize that it is Boomers who put DJT over the top, it all starts to make sense. Unlike the "PBS documentary on the Summer of Love" viewing Boomers, forever reliving their teenage radicalism, the DJT voting Boomers, were raised to hate the Russians.

I've always found my MAGA fam a bit quiet on the Ukraine thing, like they just wanted to get back to hating on minorities and LGBTQ+ folks and not have to vocalize love of Russia and hate of Ukraine. Vets too, having em in the fam. Probably not gonna break the dam, but all cracks help I guess.

Yeah, well here’s the thing: You DID elect Musk. Voting is not an endorsement of your pet issue, even if that’s what you think it is or intend it to be. When you elect a candidate all this other stuff comes along, and if you’re not aware of that then you should not vote.

That sounds uncomfortable at best and frightening on a bad day. I've also cut the MAGAs off. You might be surprised to discover how many there are in rural "deep blue" Massachusetts. Best of luck navigating this madness!

Trumper mom is claiming to no longer support him. Upset about RFK. My mother is a lifelong Republican who attends a church that uh….has interesting views on those they deem “liberals.” (We’re demonic or something.)

They'll get their updated talking points from Fox News soon enough and do a 180°. Right-wing oligarchs and their media allies have figured out how to alter people's reality. There is no winning them back with actual events and information. They will always blame everything negative on a scapegoat.

As an outside observer in Canada, I really appreciate the anecdotal data points like this and all the others in the comments that can give any little bit of hope that Trump’s support base might flip eventually.

That they’re upset about the veterans doesn’t surprise me That they’re upset about Zelensky really really does! That means they’re picking a foreigner OVER their man Trump. WTF is up with that?? Can you explain? I don’t know any MAGA but this seems really significant. I didn’t think I’d see it.

I’m the same era or maybe a smidge younger so I get that. Not so much pro Zelensky as anti-Russia - which is an entirely different kind of evil now than it was then but MAGA are not strong on the details. What breaks my brain is they didn’t notice him being a Russian asset the first time around.

Ok I get that “old Americans hate Russia” also applies to MAGA but 1. More than they love Trump?? 2. Didn’t they notice that he was a Ruzz asset the FIRST time? Are they really only picking up on this now? Seriously, I was under the impression that MAGA was just fine with Russia. So puZZled.

"didn't they notice the first time?" No. They didn't want to and there was always some Fox pundit telling them why it was okay. It is hard to find a better word than "heartbreaking" to describe the scope of ignorance boasted by conservatives voting against themselves because they don't/can't get it

Before, Trump's relationship with Russia was a bit abstract for low information voters. Ukraine's fight matches a lot of stories that are deeply embedded in American culture, and that's much less abstract. Also, Trump & Vance's behavior violated every norm of hospitality.

Considering their general attitude towards other people who are taken advantage of, I assume they will respond to this by hee-hawing and saying "that'll teach 'em!" not able to allow themselves to realize that they are clearly pointing at a mirror