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It’s really stunning how the USA has so swiftly shifted from being one of the most techno-optimistic and tech-industry-loving countries on earth, to a country where most people seem to assume - not incorrectly, at least in many cases - that tech is out to get them.

Faine Greenwood@faineg.com

Why is the U.S. public so much more negative on AI than almost anyone else? Well, I think the fact that the U.S. AI industry is being lead by a bunch of very visible, crazy weirdos who talk about how AI will take everyone’s job and maybe kill us all the time is a pretty key factor.

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It's kinda sad considering the real technological push these last few years is not consumerist but medical technology, yet at the same time we have a eugenics fascist in charge of the nation's health 😐...

I really really really think Congress and the Executive being asleep at the anti-trust switch for decades is a huge part of how we got here. I think even just a handful of major break-ups using anti-trust and some laws mandating open interoperability could've staved off so much of this

One among numerous broad, massive shifts in the U.S. - also from being an advocate for democracy, pro-science/research, pro-education, pro-immigration (with caveats) to being the opposite of these. Of course, these latter changes are administrative actions much more than public opinion swings.

By now everyone has been through multiple enshittification cycles and knows that every big update will take away useful features if they don’t make them subscription-only, but never improve anything. Tech only ever gets worse as they try to monetize their locked-in users.

In most European countries people don't worry about medical and the have a decent social safety net. Here if you lose your job you're screwed with medical and there is a strong voice calling everyone who gets government assistant a leach. So yeah we don't trust republican donors on this issue.

Granted I wasn’t living in the US at the time, but i recall when Bill Gates was a nigh universally loathed figure and most people hated Windows and Microsoft’s general monopoly position with a passion. And it seems that MOST of the tech industry has at large turned into Basically Microsoft ca. 1999

Leaving AI aside, universal monopolization / ogliopolozation, non-innovation, and just rampant enshittification are marking the modern tech sector. Unrepairable or upgradable products, non-ownership of devices like printers (which are especially awful), SAAS, subscriptions instead of purchases, etc.

Tech is at large just resting on its laurels and instead of delivering cool new stuff, tech companies are increasingly at war with their customers and engage in ever grosser rent seeking instead of giving people a reason to be excited. Pay up, or fuck off. And everything AI turbocharged those trends

I guess twch delivers cool new stuff if you are… of a certain persuation and ate all there for everything crypto, web3, metaverse, and now AI. Very few people i know personally are but that might be selection bias.

What do you expect from a country who had an political body who thought when Georgia was attacked by the Russians, Alabama would be next?

I’ve always loved technology and gadgets, but these days, with enshittification, mass surveillance, fucking ads in everything, and the subscription-only proliferation, I’m much more wary of new tech than I used to be. Now I get why IT folks have always liked to stick with analog stuff.

Being really enthusiastic about new technology and our scientific and technology industries was the USA’s brand for what, the entire 20th century? And seems like over the course of about 20 years, big tech and our abject failure to meaningfully regulate it has pretty successfully lit that on fire.

Yup. There's one big, big exception that we can all agree on, but other than that it's bleak.

Bouba's Delivery Service@fernmonkey.bsky.social

A fun game is to ask someone to name anything good that's been invented in the past 20 years, and just as they're about to answer, you say "I'll spot you medicine, can you think of one that's NOT medical?"

Video games have come a lot way since then. Cheap big screen TVs. Apple TV letting us stream video instead of having to deal with a DVD collection. Streaming audio. There have been a few. But you're just off in your time frame. Say 10 years and it's a lot harder.

Not sure that's true. I'd say the heyday of the US space program was the moment techo optimism peaked as a dominant current of American culture, but before and after that period we had the spectre of nuclear war, many strains of dystopian fiction, the rise of conspiratorial paranoia, climate denial,

the massive resurgence of new age spiritually, the satanic panic, gen-x ennui, creationism and a myriad other trends that really temper the view of the US as a generally forward looking, tech enthusiast society. Sure, there was always a very powerful tech scene, and it made a lot of money,

I’m sure some people in academia have actually studied the remarkable US shift from optimism about tech to intense pessimism, and I’d love to read that research if anyone has links.

Of course, while I share the public’s skepticism about surveillance, social media, and AI, I also am forced to admit that this techno-skepticism and distrust must also be linked to the antivaxxer movement and its distrust of vaccines (which I think is horrible, stupid, and dangerous)

I think that it's largely that we haven't had anything new and fun since the 3rd or 4th iPhone. I think we'd be much more in on AI if all of the easy automation wins we had around 2000 were just happening now, like if Claude were making air travel easier.

Yeah it feels like it's kinda been brewing and building for a while and the brazen idiocy of the AI guys has finally broken the dam. And even though I think some things about it are fascinating and cool and groundbreaking, the people running the frontier labs are visibly insane

Find yourself some data when you conflate my well earned mistrust of the scumbags running Silicon Valleyand my lifelong embrace of medical science, please.

The current Silicon Valley brand of tech is not the thing from the 20th century. The Saturn V, the 747, medical tech, mass automobiles, house appliances... all of that vs Facebook, Palantir and ChatGPT? No wonder people loved the former and hate the latter

Yes and the perceived economy / wealth gaps have a lot to do with people's attitude towards things that are billed as job destroyers Maybe having social nets is an overall positive for society - provides security and peace of mind

Tech has pissed away its reputation in the last decade with crypto, unregulated gambling, surveillance and whatever mess AI is. (I work in AI and I'm deeply ambivalent about a lot of it.) Combine that with bottomless greed, misogyny, and cozying up to Trump and you have Tobacco 2.0.

They use us. They give free apps and suck personal data in exchange. Now they want us to pay never ending and always be increasing monthly fees to have our data stolen.

I was trying to schedule car service today and the dealership now has an AI agent that answers the phone. And there was low chatter in the background that abruptly stopped and started as the agent spoke to…make it seem more realistic? The technology sucks and it’s now also super disingenuous.

That sounds frustrating when you just need a service appointment. A booking assistant should identify itself, make reaching a person easy, and pass along what you've already explained. Simulated office noise doesn't help you get your car booked. Were you able to reach someone?

I don’t know how the rest of the world views privacy, I guess? Like, on the one hand, it was somewhat okay when stores I patronized knew what kind of diaper brand I preferred back in 2009, but now digital marketing has gotten out of control. These days, retailers *hunt* consumers.😬

Big tech 20 years ago: You can find your old classmates on line! You can download books and music! Isn’t that cool? Big tech now: We can track your every movement and sell all your data to advertisers! And soon AI will take your job! Isn’t that cool?

Like I know we complain that the term enshitification is overused but setting aside AI that is a huge reason IMO. Most tech has just gotten less reliable/more obnoxious to use the last decade, from Facebook to refrigerators.

Yep. Nearly every consumer electronics magazine has shifted from product reviews and starry-eyed wonder at a better future that is just around the corner to grim documentation of surveillance and societal collapse. The Futurology subreddit is the same way.

We need to sell people on solarizing everything as a patriotic project.

David S. Pumpkins 🎃@davehageman.bsky.social

My first act as president: creating a new Department of Installing Solar Panels Fucking Everywhere (DISPFE) to install solar panels fucking everywhere. A 21st century CCC and WPA all in one.

Tech is promising to take all of our jobs while our politics seems utterly incapable of delivering a vision of the future that shares the prosperity.

The environmental impacts are most definitely concerning if not devastating. Managers and professionals allowing AI to do their jobs for them is concerning and to a lesser extent annoying.

Every technology before 2020 or so was considered economic value positive: this tech will result in new avenues for jobs and growth. Since 2020 the messaging has been something like, "feed money into the maw of this emerging tech that produces nothing but will one day kill your job."

Also, if you don't start integrating this new technology into your current job and your home life, you're falling behind and killing your children's hope for a future. You can do nothing absent the ever watchful eye of this emergent and very unprofitable technology.

FWIW I’m do development as a hobby. I love programming and creating stuff. I hate AI and most large tech companies. And maybe even the software developer community, largely. 💀 It’s…not great out here.

US capitalism used to actually involve making things people wanted, and success was based on making the better thing. There was competition too and companies could rise and fall. Now it's becoming much more feudal, success is down to your influence in the royal court and proximity to power.

Marketing always created demand, but used to be higher friction to get at indv consumers. Igoing to a dept store you knew you'd dodge perfume seller, but mostly you could avoid a lot of in your face ads. It's the ubiquity of the perfume sprayer now popping up every time I use a digital device.

But also, if you've been in any office job you've gone through multiple tech systems, failed upgrades, bullshit vendors, and multiple times at that. If civil/structural engineering ran like software we'd have roofs caving in on the reg, and parking garages pancaking.

Americans seem to have a generally dim view of our business climate in general but different groups have different enemies. Some portion of us have never really recovered from the Exxon and BP oil spills. Some are focused in big pharma/Moderna/Purdue. Some despise tech, probably largely Facebook.

Also, banks in general but definitely anyone directly involved in 2008 and Boeing need to be in my initial list... At this point I can hardly think of an industry Americans are broadly positive about besides weed.

People don’t want these data centers in their backyards because of noise, light and air pollution and having to foot the bill and ration water and electricity. Tech overlords make millions off these communities without ever giving a cent back to what they destroy.

I think the top 200 tv shows that's been going around has something to say here. The cynicism, greed, dysfunction, and darkness as intrinsic and unstoppable parts of the world reflect something very real about where American culture has gone.

Another way to say this is that it's really sad that a group of shameless villains abused America's trust, optimism, and support for tech in order to build an adversarial culture where tech is usually out to get people.

Also the systematic destruction of what was the global powerhouse of education, immigration, and research that fed the pipeline of genuine technological advances that improved everyone’s quality of life has dampened my US techno-optimism, but maybe that’s just me.

The Cambridge Analytica debacle turned me against Big Tech. Zuckerberg used his fun, cool Facebook app which made him obscenely rich into a info weapon to fucking burn us. He was burning us prior to that, but we didn't grasp the effects until that revelation. And I'm a techie, so it sucks more.

Wait, you're saying marketing a product shouldn't include wild-eyed predictions of doom, and warnings of death and destruction with blinking red lights when introducing said product? What do they teach you in Marketing 101, anyway?