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It genuinely does suck and is *bad* that it feels like there’s almost nowhere to go for people who 1. Want to work on robotics (like drones) and 2. Don’t want to build weapons.

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There's so much cool stuff we could be doing. But instead it's all death machines. As someone who trained in aerospace engineering and had the same dilemma - to go sideways into HVAC or work on weapons - I sympathize.

Pretty different skill sets and interests though I’d suspect for the kind of robotics you see in medicine (mostly small fine motor stuff) versus, say, small drones and the Boston Dynamics stuff

I got pretty far into the hiring process at Intuitive Surgical as just a guy who knows Linux before I dropped, without ever having done any kind of robotics before. Not for me, but seems like an interesting place.

That’s not really true, but there are a couple of core things at play. Have you worked in a highly regulated I industry before ? Is the robotics you have been doing a close match to what they do?

Nvidia is doing a bunch of general robotics stuff too, I guess their chips end up in defense tech but I don't think being on the Jetson team is at all close to working on weapons

My 16 year old is super super into leading his first robotics team, and he’s taught himself a ton of CAD and now wants to major in engineering or robotics and everything and. Uuuuuugggghhhh the whole ecosystem is fucked

Drones and other robots do have a huge number of civilian and society-benefiting uses. We need ways for talented people to be able to work on those applications, without having to compromise their morals to build weapons for ICE (and similar malignant buyers).

It has, like, ALMOST not been the case in robots a few times, but Amazon eating the whole warehouse business, farm robots being badly positioned, the existence of China, etc. it’s hard! I had to push reeeeeaaaally hard to keep our computer vision business on the “mostly not evil” side of the ledger

It's frustrating. Our technology stacks in robotics at this point is mostly open source tech that drips out of universities and foreign lab and independents sometimes making a funny new actuator. There is no money in US tech unless it involves death or despoiling it's sad.

I will also note that there used to be a LOT of money being directed at purely civilian drone use cases and companies until a couple years ago. Trump 2.0 has had a hugely destructive impact here, especially in the U.S.

robotics and autonomous systems aren’t bad in and of themselves, but as long as we exist in an authoritarian capitalist system where these things are used mainly to oppress and surveil the population, people will continue to throw rocks at drones and bully those delivery robots

Sure, and I don’t care if people are mean to the robots even if the robots are doing something socially productive (I know multiple people who’ve been shot at while legally flying drones for socially beneficial research and disaster work, so I mean, I also don’t think it’s ideal)

There was a period between 2013 to about 2024 or so where it seemed to me like it was going to be possible to have a very viable career in purely civilian and socially-beneficial drone mapping and data analysis work. Not so much now. Perhaps we can get back there, I don’t know.

I nearly bumped into an unexpected robot at my grocery store this evening. It is a "shelf inventory inspector" After I got over the impulse to apologize to it I could only think of Cloud 9's GLEN and how that turned out.

I’m not sure it’s exactly altruistic, but the robotics competitions in China seem to be for the sake of creating various humanoid functions separate from weapons manufacturing. Like it’s a team of total nerds making a funky robot that runs like a human really fast as opposed to Boston Dynamics shit.

Is an alternative possible at the moment? Is this not just a function of where the money is at? My impression was that the military is the only one willing & able to support speculative/non-commercial R&D and the only potential customer that is large & well-funded enough to support commercial R&D.

I feel like in the late 1960s and early 70s there were a lot of plays and novels where people graduating in the sciences had to decide if they'd do defense work. We're right back there.

There are at least a couple agricultural drone startups, though I haven't checked to see if they do also defense stuff to access all that investment.