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Not to be the "there's a study that says you're a sadist" guy but; there is a study that says people who drive stupid loud vehicles do it NOT because they're inconsiderate, but because they actively enjoy making others suffer pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...

Big Joel@bigjoel.bsky.social

I just don’t understand how loud motorcycles are legal I just DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN LEGALLY SELL SUCH A THING

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in my decades in the car enthusiast communities I've been a part of, there's a happy medium one can take with a modified exhaust where you can just make it sound nice, but just full on straight piping your shit is for 100% assholes every single time almost without exception

sometimes you get a rowdy hooligan who is just like, a lovable himbo and they're chill but you gotta bully em to put mufflers on their shit a lot lol

When I was walking to the train one day, this guy in the loudest most tryhard car I've ever seen drove by me and it scared me really ad case they were going way too fast. A few minutes later the same car drove by me a second fucking time. They looped the area just so they could mess with me twice.

this is true for people who go out of their way to make their cars loud, but for motorbikes it's not really our fault (at least not always, a lot of riders are still dickheads because fast bikes attract them like moths)

I understand this as a bystander but as a driver i love loud motorcycles because it makes it easier to hear them coming on the road

Moved to a small town about 6 months ago Mfers love to act like their the toughest mf around (a vape store employee bragged about his manager threatening to shoot someone to me) and correlate toughness with making other people complain and ignoring it It's basically another facet of patriarchy

My brother used to drive a motorcycle. Not to refute what you say, because I do agree it exists, but I've learned that there is a biker population who want their motorcycles on the louder side because it lets drivers know they're nearby.

No offense but that just moves the anti social behavior to the point of purchase rather than when they're on the road. If there's no way to drive the thing without making everyone else have a bad time then they shouldn't drive it at all

Idk where on a decibel chart the line between inconsiderate asshole and "hey, I'm in this lane please don't run me over" lies, but I can say that it exists.

this is a common justification, but it isn't true. places have put laws in without more motorcycles being hit, there've been lots of studies. this should match your intuition that safe defensive driving is about anticipating hazards like bad driving and drivers' mistakes, not being noticed.

there is no credible evidence that modified louder bikes are actually safer, but a lot of evidence that training and brighter or reflective clothing make cyclists significantly safer. I don't see noise pollution defenders tending to be so enthusiastic about what actually works

One of the slip connectors in my car's exhaust came loose recently so I had to drive around for a couple days with a unmuffled engine before I could get it up on jacks and fix it and I felt like the biggest asshole in the world. I cannot imagine making my car sound like that on purpose.

I'm curious, what colors best? I recall once seeing an infographic claiming thar a bright green can be better than white is, at least in headlight conditions, and of course even when Google wasn't A. I. I doube my websearch skills would have sufficed.

I’ve added to the profile of my bike with some evidence based placement of extra head/tail lights and have taken an advanced course yes. I also ride it like as if I were in a mini van. No risks, ever. No adrenaline junkie in me. I just want to ride and ride safely. A silent bike is more dangerous.

I have a friend who works at Harley-Davidson and I once made the mistake of remarking on the awful racket of their exhausts. He explained that HD *knows* it hurts the brand rep, and they sank a lot of money into making quieter machines. Their customers went and bought even LOUDER aftermarket parts.

in grade school that happened and my teacher told me hes okay bc he had a helmet which im only realizing now he was not my family was blunt when our dog died so this random biker was my "went to live on a ranch" moment

I enjoy motorcycles. Loud sounds don't make you safer. Learning to handle the machine and regularly practicing bike handling drills can make you safer. The safest thing, for everyone around you, is to use the smallest vehicle possible. Motorcycles are socially safer than cars or trucks.

I was studying for my M class but decided against it…with help from my wife. I live in Chicago and I just don’t trust the drivers enough. If I had quick access to quiet country roads or less populated areas then I would absolutely have a bike.

I'm not some gearhead or mechanical engineer, but even as a kid my reaction to the sound of a Harley has always been a pained, "oof, that sounds like a machine that's been miscalibrated; like the engine is sick and needs to have a lie-down!"