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Wow, that’s surprising. I wouldn’t have expected it to have any effect on other countries.

Are you saying they have us by the short and curlies and we should bow to fascism just so we can watch cat videos?

When we think about vendor lock-in, the usual question is: How likely is it that we might have to move? How painful would it be? That the equation has shifted to more likely. We probably need to focus on cloud-native OSS over cloud-provider services to reduce the impact of switching in response

I think Europe and US are too coupled together in both directions for that to effectively happen. E.g. even tech giants have key offices and workforce in Europe

Absolutely. And that's why they risk getting kicked out. datacenters.google/locations/

Honestly most the important stuff is open source. There's a lot of cruft on top of that but they can do local infrastructure

Self-sufficiency at the regional scale is not the same as at a country scale. This effort must be made at the EU or sub-EU scale. It will become a powerful way to bring Europe together with a common project. (PS There's a good chance that we are heading towards a regionalisation of the Web)

I agree that we shouldn’t rush to break things that may be salvageable, but I’m afraid trust isn’t one of them. USA showed already in 2016 that its word can be trusted only four years at a time at most. This is just the confirmation that it wasn’t a fluke, like many hoped.

EU countries, in particular, benefit so greatly from their union that EU-centric would, on its own, be a reasonable compromise between hyper-local and fully global

Elon hacked Twitter to help Trump win. He also sends over 100+ messages per day 24 x 7 and wants to influence your country too. That is the core problem www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23...

Unless there is a decisive change in leadership *AND* prosecution of the criminals that have taken hold of the US government, Europe should consider the US as an adversary like Russia.

Agreed, but more tech companies are starting in Europe that will provide credible alternatives, @martin.kleppmann.com France, in particular, is making massive investments in this arena. And I genuinely think we'll see an exodus of tech companies from the US to Europe in the next 3-9 months

What are u contemplating. Europe has to cut ties to this regime. It's all bloatware. Look to China. Everything can be substituted. US wants the world to change. They become isolationists. The risk has to be taken. Otherwise we will be strangled by submission.

It's easy to see that he will not hesitate to extort towards his own ends. Conclusion? This is a unique opportunity for Europe to: Borrow money to invest (not for consumption) Rebuild-to-scale its Defense Industries (includes data centers) and compete with US Create jobs + spinoff products

That problem is mostly solved? China requires all foreign cloud providers to work with a local partner who actually owns and operates the infrastructure while the cloud provider like AWS supplies the software. So AWS can't just turn off/sabotage their China regions even if Trump admin demands it.

He’s the neighborhood bully with the ball and you must play by his rules.

I don’t see the relationship can be salvaged in the long run. Even if there is a Democratic administration in four years, they can’t just undo the damage. The Republicans won’t ever go back to normalcy since they’ve seen what wins elections.

Depends on what salvaging means. We need to #derisk USA, basically a #USA+1 in security like a #China+1 in supply chains. It is quite likely there will be some Trump 3.0 in the future, but most Americans share our values and interests.

We'll treat the US like a senile grandfather who needs to be treated like he's important. Even though he's not. It's how Fred Trumps kids treated him.

As a US citizen, I don't see how Europe can possibly trust us anymore. Trust based on hope can be dangerous.

This breaks my fucking heart man.

That's exactly what they want maga is a puppet regime installed by Putin

As a Canadian, it is troubling to be confronted with threats of annexation everyday. We are doing our best to fight back, but we have our own Trump-lite (Poilievre) campaigning to be PM. Hopefully more Canadians can learn from the US and wise up to avert our own disaster.

Putin will be in Paris by Christmas

Yes after world 2 the united states of America was a very profitable time since it rebuilt Europe. Yet at home it denied and denies the equality to it black and brown peoples. White power of hate. Teach your children well. It's black history month.

I know, that got me too.

No, seriously, Europe can not Trust america, the presidency has been compromised by the KGB, and there's not really any way to unfuck that.

This whole situation is so sad and disgusting.

Why would you want to be allied with a rogue terror state that kills children by the tens of thousands? Seems an easy decision

As long as the current version of the Republican Party; which is what it has ALWAYS been…other nations would be wise to feed us with a long handled spoon. It’s not JUST a matter of being trustworthy…consistency and coherent policies not rooted in hate or personal greed/power.

Bubbala, he’s made us a unreliable to everyone.

There’s nothing here to trust. Trump doesn’t even pay his bills. He betrayed Zelensky. He works for Russia. Run, Europe, run!

Stop trusting…that ship sailed.

Most of Europe has already stopped trusting the US.

Me too and more to come!

Very quickly I think in this case.

Definitely!

OrangePutin has stabbed the Kurds, the Afghan government, Ukraine, and Canada in the back.

Believe me I know. Half Canadian and cousin just came here to live,

Hm - paying for our defense can just be a sign of respect and self-respect. It needs not to be a sign of mistrust.

Well end is a strong word, it will change for sure and not for the betterment of mankind

You know, up until 2014 or so, I really did think that weird comments about the US government peaked in the nineties. Yet, somehow, here we are. Do ... do you remember when the government was quasi-functional? Those were good times.

Oooooooh. Ouch. I'm afraid that I'm going to need to concede that you've won the internet for today. Congratulations!

Lmao sure.

Based on just the past week, no country should trust the US under the MAGAt Nazi regime. Trump is a traitor to democracy, and he proves it daily. His threats to Canada, Mexico , Ukraine and other democracies is despicable and the US needs to be hurt.

I hate to break it to you but there is not one of your former allies who trust the US. The American leader has turned his back on democracy and is welcoming authoritarianism. Trump has threatened his allies with economic destruction and annexation and your think this is a prophecy? It's happened

Hello, Earth to Normandy...That's what y'all can do. Maybe return a solid for your bro?

Block Twitter immediately!! It is an existential threat to democracy. Heavily fine Facebook and make them publicly publish their algorithms.

Please don't just share on this forum. Tell your reps in DC what you think. Resist. It only takes a few minutes and best of all..it doesn’t cost any money. We don’t need money in politics. We just need people to participate. www.nationalfinancialplan.com

It’s already happening. The Europeans will turn to China for economic activity more and more, they’re already doing it. They knew what Trump was

They should stop trusting us. The new regime is mostly Russian assets

He's too dumb to understand the subtlety and his voters won't exist in the next four years. But they won't have to by the time he's done. Make no mistake, the 2028 Presidential election will not be taking place.

I’ve been saying that since before the election! Unfortunately the governments around the world didn’t seem to want to believe that tRump wasn’t joking! F’ing idiots! But at least they are mobilizing and doing something which is more that the democrats are doing!

Agree, we still can be relevant about Europe and balance budgets

Wait I have been screaming for years that he is a creep. Many of us did not vote for him. I didn’t either election.

They already decided not to trust the US and I don’t blame them.

First thing you need to do over there is pressure your local companies, organizations and political figures to get off X, Skip right over threads, and start having them post on here. Or even better, make your own similar app for Europe. But we need to stop giving X the legitimacy it craves.

Hopefully just for four years. Not forever.

I would not share any National Intelligence with the US. That Intelligence would end up in Putins lap.

It seems foolish to trust the United States.

We do have to become self-sufficient. It doesn't mean treating the USA as an adversary, but it does mean making sure we can manage if US support is absent. I feel sad saying this, but I see no option.

Chump wont be around for every. Hopefully not long enough to damage relations in the long run.

We must fight for our country can active military service members protest against the president

"if"? Europe had already stopped trusting the US.

You cannot trust an abuser. They will not change. They will only get worse. It's about power and control.

Europe allowed, no, expected the US to be the peace keeper. Hundreds of military bases all over the world are controlled by the US military machine. The King wants to be blindly obeyed or punishment is due. Let's hope order 66 isn't given.

Canada doesn't trust you, and that should be the biggest of red flags

If it means working 60 hours a week I am totally down. I can get starlink from where I live and I will apply remote jobs from Europe because I like to help. Time to lay off US coolaid and start busting chops

It’s a very sad state of affairs. The EU has strong technical capabilities. Many reside in the U.K. and much of what’s needed will require Germany to drop its austerity fetish. Unleashing both will require recognizing the ideological failure of neoliberalism. You’ll also need China.

Our government just aligned itself with Russia and North Korea. *We* don't trust America right now and we live here!

It isn't a prophecy because as you say, they are no longer reliable. Actually, they are quite hostile. So far, the words a lot harsher than the actions. But only a fool would bet a countries freedom on hope. He isn't joking. Trump cows to real strength. The EU need to show that strength.

There is a great deal to worry about, remember that the no longer reliable partner has a lot of troops and weapons stationed in Europe.

As long as the USA is oscillating between Republicans <> Democrats there will be no stable policy from the USA. Their outmoded political system is preventing political reform.

While I share the sympathy towards Ukraine, Russia is so starved for manpower they turned to North Korea. They are not invading Europe anytime soon, no matter how the Ukraine war goes.

If you wonder whether anybody should make long-term commitments depending on the US, the answer is sadly no

I think he is a power hungry narcissist. And he buddies up with dictators for two reasons to get help cheating in elections and because there is something they know about him. He definitely has Dementia.

This is making the US so incredibly vulnerable to outside threats. Oh wait, now they’re inside threats.

That ship has sailed. In one months the U.S. under Trump has become less safe, free and prosperous for decades.

I’d say trust US only if the POTUS is not GOP especially the clown residing in WH currently

I don’t disagree with letting Europe lead the fight for things on their doorstep, but that doesn’t mean abandoning them. The problem is that the US is not capable of supporting. We must always be the star of the show.

The prophecy has been fulfilled already.

We can no longer trust the USA. We must be self sufficient, able to defend ourselves against Russian military aggression and Chinese economic aggression. We must unite and defend the ideals and system which have been the cornerstone of European peace for 80 years. Trump is as much a threat as Putin.

If I were in their shoes, I sure the hell wouldn’t trust Trump or any of his cronies. I think the damage has been done and only when he and the rest of them are removed will we be able to re-establish any sense of trust. Hopefully within my remaining years. Medicaid cuts will surely hasten my years

US voted with Putin. You cannot trust the US.

Ugh. Half of us didn’t want this. There are good Americans.

European leaders have been making plans to isolate the U.S. for the last year in preparation of another Putin admin. The truth is, they really don't need the headaches that come with their alliances with this nation. We cannot be trusted with an outhouse much less world matters.

To be an enemy of USA is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal! www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_K...

The US will have only one reliable partner if Trump has his way.

Let’s just arrest Trump and restore a government that represents the values of the majority of our country.

I say they nuke us

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I don’t know how any American ally can trust the US under Trump

But this adjustment was needed. Europe is no longer in ashes, destroyed after a world war. And it was very much independent of the US before 1939.

Europe can't trust the US. This is obvious & undeniable. Any clear-eyed view of Trump or Musk for ten minutes will tell you this. I'm an American, an engineer, and a (former) college professor if that carries any weight.

Same thinking in Canada, Trump wants to replace us as supplier of gas, oil, potash and alluminium for Russia!

It has the "If you cross the border, you will destroy a great empire" vibe. Europe not trusting US means renaissance of European arms industry means strong competition to the US niche of expensive and high grade. And US will be seen as unreliable globally so...

He already chose. Years ago I think.

For Trump it’s Putin!

US agrees to a treaty but the agreement is only good until the next president. Trump loves dictators…. NATO is 1/2 of US strength & he doesnt care ! Shows you he is crazy or compromised.

I think the European countries and also Canada should work with Ukraine regarding their rare earth minerals. Do it with them instead of the U.S. Also, they should use the Russian frozen funds.

With Trump in charge, you can trust the US to exploit any advantage we have, just like he and Elon are doing with Starlink and Ukraine.

Europe must realize that Trumpism does not represent the majority view in the USA and instead help us to counter Russia in our own country. Please.

No one can trust the US government. Not Americans, not anyone.