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question to younger people in tech: how do you get hired (the initial step, to a hiring manager) these days? my understanding is job applications don’t work. What does?

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referrals, especially if you have a resume that's not super legible to the average recruiter. a good hiring manager will try and get their recruiters to have a better understanding of what to look for in candidates, but lots of hiring managers aren't proactive about that, plus noisy signal.

both times I got a good job I just complained a lot on the Internet until a job found me I'm not joking lol.

Networking still works if it is actual relationships with people who've worked with you or know your work. A referral gets looked at. Cold applications don't. It's frustrating because the surface story (apply online, get interviews) hasn't actually been true for years, no matter what we think.

I applied to a grocery store and my uni, then networked my way into three tech jobs by showing I'd be a good hire somewhere they saw. None were hiring publicly. The first place contacted me through our local LUG, then I contacted the other two through their online communities and they recognised me.

You don't, lmao Jokes aside though it seems to be aggressively applying on sites like LinkedIn. Unfortunately, I am pessimistic because I think we underestimate the impact of AI which will decimate job listings...

Who told you they don’t work? Job applications work unless it’s applying to mega corps. Just competing with people submitting applications using agents. For new grads, career fairs are a great place to be seen but you gotta be at a top university to get more options.

idk someone said that there’s a ton of job application spam these days, forget where i heard that

anecdotally it's true. also, from a job-hunter's perspective: in a moment of despair, I paid for a job hunt automation service. in the time that I had them engaged, they sent out over 1600 submissions. I got the same number of interviews during that period as I had when I was manually applying.

I was probably fussier about who I let them apply to vs. most of their clients, but they basically 10x'd my submission rate, and a bunch of their AI-powered matches were pretty dubious, so they're counting on volume.

asking friends of the place you want to work to put you in a signal group chat with people at the company you want to work at

unfortunately requires you to know those initial people still but it’s at least a much better initial door than trying to get an application viewed at all

the past two roles I’ve landed have been entirely via Linkedin and recruiters. Best piece of advice I ever got was to treat LinkedIn as my resume, posting often!

application spam, and complaining on social media -> referrals. my most recent job i got from being reached out to on linkedin, so that occasionally works

Started my first job last year. Spamming job applications to startups mostly but it took a long time (~little over a year after graduating with my bs) Only ever got the one interview. Im very lucky that I did well

Networking, same as always, but it's even harder now. Sometimes referrals don't even work.

You have two options (for industry jobs) - research: be miles ahead by consuming as much research (bleeding-edge gives you bonus points) pertaining to your field as possible or nepotism - tech: just nepotism Everyone around my age who has gotten a job recently falls into one of these twocategories

To be fair, nepotism will technically get you a job anywhere so I might be answering in a biased way because of how disheatened I feel about personal merit not being enough to get a job anymore

Im not speaking of personal experience, my situation is… complicated. But yeah that’s what my gf did/is doing (she dislike her current job and is just sending CV out hoping to find something that doesn’t have a so toxic workplace)

LLM have been nice to find job applications that fitted her experience and education, but were worded in a way that traditional search did not pick it up for her. But that’s not really a catalyst, it’s just that she’s aware of more opportunities, but everyone does so you need to send more.

Our team/dept currently hiring for an 'AI Engineer' (actual job title, at least in the current HR form of rec) The resumes coming through HR look OK, interviews are whacked. I'd rather hire people I see ranting about stuff on Bluesky, I've actually learned things here.

Some advice for job seekers, FWIW: The idea of 'forward deploy engineer' is a powerful one in corporate america rn. You have not been a FDE because the job title is brand new, but you probably fully have the ability to be one internally someplace. When the interviewer asks if you have any >

.. questions, consider asking a variation of: "Can you describe a problem your department/company is having right now?" listen carefully, and then lay out a very high level approach you'd take to solve that very problem, probably using a harness during some of it, and ask clarifying questions.

the clarifying questions you ask about that problem are *key* in a technical portion of the interview. If the initerviewer hears you asking the same questions the team asked while trying to solve the problem, that interview ends with you at the top of the list.