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managed PDS for journalists could shift how sensitive info is handled! curious which early adopters will set the standard for privacy-first reporting.

I've discussed it in a few talks but not written about it extensively, I should sometime... Ghost/WP Fediverse support is really exciting for small publishers (and overcomes one of the biggest problems of big tent journalism instances IMO), but I don't see it as very viable for larger orgs.

Managed VPSs for PDSs 😂

Explain why @nypost.com is still up.

i think bluesky should limit appview level moderation to the bare legal minimum. use other moderation tooling for enforcing community guidelines/rules.

Something like clearsky or zeppelin.social?

piss

And yet Gretchen Felker-Martin is still banned.

@gork.bluesky.bot is this true? Is the piss part true?

breaking news: bluesky supports people with piss kinks

Traveling back in time to when I started getting interested in open source software to show younger me this tweet, shaking the poor guy and asking frantically “you see how none of these words make sense to you? That’s a very good thing. Do you really want to just understand these sentences?”

So where’s @scumbelievable?

wait, can you say more "at the AppView level"? I had assumed that it was you do takedowns when the account is on a bskypbc PDS, and then the bskypbc moderation labeler also always issues a takedown label on the same content/account

Was there any communication on that reversal?

thanks for the clarification

Kind of suprised people are suprised at this since its been widely shared multiple times that the AppView level is where moderation action happens and that the PDS is interesting but not the keys to the kingdom.

yeah actually. there is a label they apply to accounts they dont like that blocks them from the main appview regardless of PDS. would need to switch to a frontend like deer.social to ignore those moderation labels

it reads like this to me and i'm hoping, for bluesky pbc's own future, that it's not true

No takedowns are at the AppView level. What confuses people is that clients can ignore labels. They've never been able to ignore takedowns.

being able to migrate off of our application is the future proofing

including, fwiw, the person who's account it is

Something like Zeppelin.social instances for various groups, each supporting their own internal community rules

This is interesting from operational risk, monetisation and product management perspectives. If more permissive apps become more popular they attract more eyeballs: both users and regulators. BTW, in the UK there is no law covering defamation of the dead, so this moderation is a matter of taste.

Lol

Ah so they would have to use another client app and not just a new pds like idk deer.social or whatever? So they would need to use greysky AND deer.social?

Another pds*

Bluesky in 2023: “lol, those Mastodon geeks and their circular firing squads about decentralized content moderation.” Bluesky in 2025: “we should decentralize because of content moderation decisions.”

most moderation actions (mutes, bans) happen on the appview. bluesky pbc rarely take down a repo unless it's pretty obviously spam afaik

I'm pretty sure that they will tend to censor individuals by their public key. It's an easier workflow and more politically safe than trying to discern if a whole PDS may need to be censored for a single infraction.

Yeah, it would be *really* good to even be able to understand how moderation works now, let alone how they intend to apply in a hypothetical massively-distributed future.

This sounds like a fun project

Isn’t this essentially already a thing on ActivityPub / fediverse?

sounds a lot like an ActivityPub instance but it'll still be depending on a bunch of external ATp services.

That's close to the small-index appview @retr0.id said he considers making. Basically an appview only indexing stuff you follow, proxying all other requests to a bigger appview. That would be a good base for stuff like a near-full-stack self hosted atproto blog with comments

I am happy to be able to post here: rest in piss, piece of shit and a nazi Kirk. Bless you to repeat.

Red Dwarf is kind of that but has some feature gaps. I think the creator is building something called Skylite to supersede it.

To be clear, when I say "I think we need…" I mean "I've sketched out an implementation in my head and intend to write this, hopefully before the end of the year".

I agree