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I’ve had a few people ask “oh, so is disagreeing with Gavin Newsom on trans athletes a PURITY TEST?” And yes, protecting trans people from discrimination is a vital purity test. It is pathetic and disgusting how many people who claim to be Democrats are failing it.

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Not hanging out with Charlie Kirk IS a purity test, yes. But that's not quite the word. Try 'a horrible test'. Have you not SEEN that guy and what he has always done? He could show up with Lincoln Project guys and I would not be nearly so offended. With Republican Congressmen, even. That's a choice.

I don't read Newsome's argument that way. And I do not believe that he is against trans people. What he is against is someone who has extraordinary musculature and other physical features of a male, competing in female sports where they do not have these advantages.

I absolutely believe in my heart that all the people that fall for this shit absolutely watched The West Wing and absorbed the lie that you have to arrive at an issue from a place of compromise and be ready to give up objectively good things for supposed political gain.

Also the worst part is that if progress does happen, and by god we will claw back progress from their cold dead hateful hands, all the people who argued to not do good will try to steal credit. Just like they did with gay marriage.

If only anyone cared when he killed reparations for descendants of slaves in CA. He’s been abandoning marginalized people for a while now, and Democrats haven’t been forced to do anything. This is why you have to care and demand leaders care when they don’t protect the rights of other groups

It’s also a good filter. The same elite media establishment that hates trans folks likes trump and wants him to win. If a politico can’t defy the NYT nexus to defend a vulnerable minority that their base cares about, how are they going to have enough spine to do what needs to be done elsewhere?

Also, asking about "purity tests" is incredibly suspect behavior. Most of the time any sharp dividing line is there for some pretty good reasons, and at the least before demanding to cross it they should think really hard about why it's there, and who gets hurt without it.

Thing is, when I think of "leftwing purity testing" that's holding back the movement, I'm thinking of some guy who'll say you aren't a leftist if you dont know Karl Marx's blood-type or Kropotkin's favourite Pokémon or some other academic minutia. Sticking up for trans people is just moral decency.

I’ve never understood this purity test nonsense. Isn’t it just a weird way of framing “what a person believes in”? Like someone is a really great dude except he believes a small population of people are not people who deserve the rights everyone else has…to me, he’s not a great dude

This is my go to answer! I have zero concern about trans women in 'women's spaces'. I DO have concerns about the GC/Terf crowd who openly admit that they spend their days thinking about, talking about, & writing about, the genitals of complete strangers.... Including kids!!!

Have there been any cases of sexual assault in prisons committed by transgender women? Because there is ALOT of cases of sexual assault committed against transgender women when kept in the male estate. We even have a name for systemic institutional sexual violence of this kind it's called V-Coding.

The prison situation is complex, but people want a blanket one-size-fits-all policy. But ask yourself this, would a fully physically transitioned woman, in prison for eg motoring offences, be safe in a male prison? Do you think trans men should be in women's prisons? The answer to both is NO!

This is not the time to half-ass “support” for a vulnerable minority. If they come for one of us, they come for all of us, so we need to circle the fucking wagons instead of hem, haw, and capitulate.

It is also pathetic and disgusting how these people fail to grasp that the end-game here isn’t just forcing a tiny number of trans kids out of sports (which is bad enough!) : it’s forcing all women and queer people out of sports and public life.

I keep imagining the effect of blood tests and genital inspections of half a million college athletes. In addition to the vulnerability to sexual abuse, out of that many people, the odds say they’d discover up to 10,000 with intersex traits whose lives could be upended.

Bad as that is, I'm not sure even that's the endgame. I think the endgame is full White Christian Nationalism, and that's why we all have to fight as hard as we can, and take care of each other as tenderly as we can.

There’s a national event that’s about to happen that can remind folks exactly what’s at stake. The NCAA won’t because they already obeyed Trump. But people can. bsky.app/profile/josh...

Josh Sternberg@joshsternberg.com

In Dec president of NCAA said he believed there were fewer than ten trans athletes among the 500k collegiate athletes. Trump EO bans trans athletes. NCAA cowed and obeyed. Then Trump pulls funding for all sorts of research. NCAA bball tourney starts soon. Big $ event. Big opp for protests.

They can't get this through their heads. Trans people deserve human rights should be good enough, but also: this is the testing ground for what they'll do to everyone else. Do not cede ground.

It's their foot in the door. They aren't even trying to hide it, and yet a disappointing number of Democrats are pretending they can't hear it. And as my wife keeps pointing out, it's not like erasing trans to get the ball rolling is a novel move.

That's fair. I guess to be precise I'm disappointed in Newsom. He's far too high profile to be doing this. A small number of backbenchers is unfortunate, but not a party problem.

Definitely. I had thought, he was our slick salesman. But instead he invited a guy who espouses white supremacy onto his brand-new podcast to bully young Californians. He should never win a Primary again.

I don't know what's wilder, the people who are on a DEI purge pretending they care about women's sports and people acting like it's genuine concern, or the left acting like reducing the ability of trans people to engage with society to protect FUCKING SPORTS is somehow good

If they're willing to throw one marginalized community under the bus because they believe it'll help them win elections, then there's nobody they won't abandon as soon as they feel its convenient.

I want them protected from discrimination; I just don't want them trying to co-opt and redefine the reality of biological women. And the vast majority of them dont do this or want to do it. Trans activists have set the REAL trans movement and efforts and progress back decades.

Absolutely. I just believe in my soul that we must protect the trans community at all costs. Also, like you mention in your 2nd post, this is only the beginning of their efforts. If they effectively destroy the trans community, they’ll immediately move on to other minority groups.

And if there were no trans people, they would simply choose someone else to terrorize. This isn't about who or any particular life, it is who is easy to outgroup and demonize.

Partially, but I believe that since trans people inherently call hierarchies of sexuality and gender into question through their mere existence, they’re seen as a unique threat by the far right, beyond just being an easy target.

Purity Test, Woke, SJW, Virtue Signaling, White Knight; these all belong within the fashy trope where the progressives’ inarguably more humane views are turned against them, used to accuse them of being vain and doing it for attention.

It’s a foresight test. Anyone with a brain should forsee whatever methodology they develop to erase & harm trans people will next be used on disabled & mentally ill people (including children) homeless people & immigrants, dissenters and so on.

I see nothing on your profile regarding Senate Dems filibustering a GOP bill on this topic in defiance of public opinion If Dems get hung out to dry every time they show bravery, they won't be brave. They go to the center because going left gets them attacked from the right and ignored by the left

Has everyone forgotten that Barack Obama and Joe Biden were against gay marriage in 2008? If they had run on that issue, they very well may have lost. At what point do we stop making the perfect the enemy of good?

Erasing trans people from public life isn’t “good” opposing “perfect.” It is unprincipled and dangerous. It is 2025, not 2008, and the state is actively eroding existing rights, not clamoring for the status quo.

It’s a litmus test - an indicator. It’s a test of character but it’s also a test of their political sense and tactical ability. If they play along, it means they don’t understand how fascism works and would be bad at fighting it even if they had the moral fiber to do so, which they likely don’t.

I try to understand these arguments but from where I’m sitting, the fascists won this election resoundingly because of Democrats purity testing people who diverged on one or two issues so hard for the last 8 years that people who were otherwise convincible Democrat voters stopped engaging with them

1. not “resoundingly” 2. the single biggest issue that drove people out of the Democratic camp, by far, was Gaza 3. trans folk are currently facing an active and focused effort to exterminate them, you’re either OK with that or you’re not, what can I say?

Gaza was going to cost the Democrats votes no matter what - if Harris broke from Biden, she would have lost a large percentage of the Jewish vote, which was largely in her favor (about 70 percent.) Her choice to continue supporting Israel was more strategic than people think.

This is misleading. Only 10 of the two hundred fifty federally elected Democrats failed to vote with us on the trans sports bill. Democrats have our backs. Just not Newsom, apparently.

“First they came for the transgender athletes and I did not stand up for them. Then they came for …….. Then they came for me and there was no one left to stand up for me.” (Paraphrased and updated)

“Purity test” sounds like maga trying to co-opt the fact that we say they are a cult and do the uno reverse card that they always do with anything the left does. They have no original thoughts they just steal from the left and use it to deflect, distract, and project