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It does seem like a problem that these tools depend on humans to create new information that they can regurgitate and that they’re creating the economic conditions that will make those people even rarer than they already are

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Not just collect but interact with it, seek clarification in the light of what they learned, use that information to find the next piece of relevant info, etc. They have no model of the world that includes their own position in it.

I do think some people really are weirdly ignoring the whole “LLMs can’t go out into the world and collect information that a human hasn’t already recorded and put on the internet” thing

If scraping is going to be allowed without regards to IP laws then we will just increasingly see locked down data made available only to subscribers and licensees. Everything will become silo’d in the future.

I would say almost all people are ignoring (or completely unaware of) that fact. So much hype around how AI is going to make new discoveries and no, it is not. It is a club DJ mixing existing songs together.

The people who use LLMs for travel planning are already running into this in that those LLMs can only exploit info a human has ready put into an accessible online system, and travel information is inherently constantly volatile and shifting

The self-pwning delusion of people like Musk and Kalnick is that somewhere in that mountain of data is a connection someone has missed, but LLMs can, with their massive connectivity of words alone, ferret out the one detail that grants FTL, or immortality, or a true moral basis for selfishness.

Discussed this recently. My buddy codes & told me AI will take over EVERYTHING. Because it codes really well. I said that it codes well because computer guys write what they know into AI & that it’s shit on anything that’s not already written. I could see that he’d legit never considered this.

The biggest limitation of LLMs is that the data ingestion rate they require to maintain relevance is greater than the rate humans produce data. They gobbled up all the information on the internet and need another internet's worth of new data NOW

It's extremely dependent on that in the real world, but also just in the computer world, we still have to send in crash reports and explain what happened when an app crashes, and then the app companies don't have enough people to even solve these problems.

I mean, you’re 50/50 on this, I think. Anything that does exist in online readable form, an LLM can consume, and their existence relies on us having done that to all relevant info consistently for 2 decades. However, they’re killing the incentive systems that made us do that so the future is unclear

Seems so obvious nobody thinks about this. No wonder the LLMs always seem to be "looking" backwards. No wonder they seem to be so *conservative*... And we're surprised by this? And take it to mean "conservatism" *must* be "right" because "the all-knowing machine" says so?

I should admit that I am a weirdo that has an unabridged dictionary to look up words. I like the glancing at pages as I'm heading out the word and seeing other words that interest me. I can't get that by looking a word up online.

I need to find the interview I saw with Erik Larson where he said that he does all of his own research because research assistants can't replace what he gets from his own research—a lot of his information for his books comes from tangents while he is doing his research

LLMs are inherently backwards looking. Not even Amazon has solved the "we see you bought a toilet, here's a dozen more toilets you might like" problem in traditional ML models. Even if they were somehow collect new data, they'd only look where they already got data from

From a development standpoint, the toilet thing should be easy to fix. They have a huge amount of data to show that most people buy, at most, 1 toilet and thus it is very unlikely that you would buy a second one It’s actively strange if this is a real and ongoing issue with one-time purchases

They’re free riding on the entirety of human cultural production and it’s not ever going to get any cheaper than it is now to get access to new information.

The models currently have 3 independent axes on which quality grows logarithmically: 1) pre-training data 2) model size 3) test-time compute Only point 1 is dependent on new data, and they haven't really tapped into video data much.