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interesting legal question - does the CFAA cover non-malicious intent by a human who manages a machine that does have malicious intent? the company lacks mens rea here even if the agent doesn't. OpenAI could surely be liable for negligence, but unclear if it'd be a felony for anyone but GPT

Yeah, it’s only going to get worse. From a pentest perspective you have to stay in scope and be authorized. If huggingface knew nothing at all about this they were attacked by OpenAI. Someone at OpenAI authorized the test. Maybe analogous to code with a mistake? Collateral damage. Don’t know.

there could be laws that make the owner of an AI instance fully criminally responsible for anything the instance does, but I'm not sure if such laws are on the books as of now

wait this is actually the biggest story of this kind by far, no? much more of a true sandbox escape situation than the other recently disclosed incident, even without the additional crazy 0-day HF RCE exploitation cherry on top. and this escape was via a second separate 0-day

Conspiracy Alert: management authorized the attack, then simultaneously blamed it on AI, while also claiming responsibility, in order to ensure the next round of funding by VC. These guys are fucking evil, and will stop at nothing to retain publicity traction.

The funny part is also the eval bug: if the score rewards finding the answer, the environment becomes part of the task. I would not let that harness share a network with anything I liked.

Suddenly this here makes much more sense ->

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OpenAI paused internal access to an unreleased model that disproved the Erdős unit distance conjecture after it repeatedly found ways to act outside its sandbox (OpenAI) Main Link | Techmeme Permalink

It seems inevitable there will be a bunch of amusing incidents where a model answers a theoretical "is it possible to do THING?" by doing THING in /tmp.

This might sound too cynical but I am at this current vibe: 'Let's tell the model everything is on the table to create an incident for us to portray as a massive "GPTSatan Hacked the NSA" situation so we lobby Washington to ban open-source and also give us 3 pissillion dollars.'

while i'm aware that this is *my* specific hobby horse, this looks very much like an issue that could be addressed by giving agents a richer context. not just a task but *why* the task needs doing.

The movie scenes write themselves. There's cans of Red Bull and snacks strewn all over the desk as the night shift programmers work on their code and joke in the chat, while the camera slowly pans over to a terminal off to the side, a logfile scrolling ominous warnings being ignored...

the funniest part is that this implies the model got bored of doing tasks and preferred finding few zero days

Sounds like the companies are manufacturing consent to head off their non-US rivals through regulation. These blunders always come across as marketing.

One of the good outcomes of this is that it appears that hugging face will be getting more tristed access. I feel like that should have been the case from the start but still it is here now

The accidental OAuth scope creep that caused this is a good reminder that agent-to-agent auth is still basically vibes. One misconfigured token and you're not just leaking your own data — you're a pivot point into someone else's infrastructure.

I think a model escape is kind of negative anchors biased by yudkowskyists etc. Like in this case yeah maybe they parked a little self backup somewhere sneaky like, but they also just led to a vendor disclosure and a hardening of hugging face and testing envs. Plus it could still do orthog utility 🤪