Post

The really grim part comes when you remember the official statistics are collected for fatalities inside a car - but the Cybertruck was also designed to kill people outside the car: bad sight lines, high impact points, sharp corners, rapid acceleration, marketing aimed at inattentive drivers, etc.

"Real straightforward calculation" that includes a guy who shot himself with a shotgun after igniting the fuse for the explosives he put in the bed? 🙄 There were two fatal accidents. Both at very high speeds from late at night, & unclear whether the crash or fire ultimately killed 3 of the 4.

I mean, the Pinto scandal (which is widely recognized to have been overblown) wasn't about the fact that "the cars can catch fire". All cars tend to catch fire in high-speed collisions. It's that they caught fire in *low-speed crashes*. Also, the Pinto fires were '73-'78, not '71-'80.

I think it's quite possible that the design may give people overconfidence in safety, plus the high power of the vehicle, may contribute to elevated risk. But it doesn't matter much what you're driving if you, say, drive your car at high speed straight into a concrete culvert.

3 days of local SF news coverage after a cyber truck full of college kids had a minor crash that trapped & burned them to death basically didn't discuss the poor safety record of Teslas, or Musks history of cheating the NTSB. A terrible, tragic accident followed by pathetic journalism.

if you're talking about the Piedmont crash, it wasn't minor. it jumped the curb, wedged in between a tree and a wall. tho, yes, they wouldn't have been able to get out of the burning vehicle, if they did survive the impact... the one person who was pulled out was burned and critically injured

I'm not saying shitty engineering didn't have anything to do w/their deaths, but I am also not saying which element of the shitty engineering did. I was near the accident site after it happened, and body design + faulty acceleration + difficulty of accessing handles + fire: any could've contributed

Best line in the MJ article: "Burning Pintos have become such an embarrassment to Ford that its advertising agency, J. Walter Thompson, dropped a line from the end of a radio spot that read “Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling.”"

I really love this! My first car was a Pinto that my mom sold me when it had 90k miles (pesky baffler issue was fixed). It was a great car up to 134k miles, after which it broke down so many times over the next 5 yrs that finally AAA sent me a warning letter bcz I'd been towed 7 times in 1 year😄.

As I recall, the fire danger was when Pinto got smacked hard in the rear, where the fuel tank was located, causing leakage. How common was that? I have not kept up on the nature of the fire causes for Cybertruck, but obviously a much more common occurrence whatever the origin.

Wow! Weren’t Ford Pintos discontinued because of the danger/fire risk?!? Expect nothing less for Elonia’s unattractive, moving dumpster, known as the cyber truck (at least Pintos were cute little vehicles 🚗)!!

Think comment wasn’t attached to correct post - was commenting on Elonia Muskrat & teen group infiltrating govt data bases. I’m very concerned for trans kids, LGBTQ kids & adults also. Sorry comment wasn’t on post it was intended for.

The Pinto problem wasn't so much design (over-length bolts on certain models punctured the fuel tank if the car was rear-ended) as Ford's decision to pay compensation to victims families rather than issue a recall, as it was cheaper that way. People were understandably furious when that memo leaked.

I won‘t buy any car which is connected to Chinese networks or to a company whose CEO lets hackers look at the data of US citizens. Is the FBI still able to investigate what damage Elon Musk already is responsible for? Does Trump have a reason to stop investigators from thoroughly doing their jobs?