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lately there have been tons of pieces exposing Dems complicity since it’s inception in the current iteration of ICE. just because they refuse to read them doesn’t make the exposes any less valid.

It's odd to watch as an outsider. Abolish ICE seems barley the reasonable compromise. Tribunals and abolition seem what you should aim for.

Objectively correct takes on toasters, Christmas lights, and politics. 👏

Schumer desparately finding villains to rotate in his caucus rn

Agreed. Between Pelosi being a rotten bitch and Biden refusing to support a 2024 primary, the blood is at least 10% on Democrat hands.

Oh, shut up.

We do have some housekeeping to do.

Tie the anchor around Trump's neck and watch him sink like a stone.

To me the huge problem isn’t the deflection of responsibility but the subtle implication that ICE doesn’t need to be abolished, only Trump’s version of it.

I'm not at all interested in the illusion of resistance or the illusion of motion. I don't want the Democrats to arguably have done "something". They're prenegotiating their own surrender before they even meet resistance.

That's great advice for normal times. I think it's pretty obvious we're not in normal times any longer.

"I don't think doing things in a way that is most likely to achieve the outcome I want is appropriate in this moment. And that's my position."

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"Republicans control the government at all levels because people didn't vote for enough Democrats. Here's why the Democrats should take blame for things the Republicans did."

So now you’re attacking democrats for MAYBE bullshit? Don’t you have a republican to attack? Maybe read a fucking fact

Though the big difference is that Abolish ICE is already far more popular

We knew back when they formed DHS that "homeland" is Nazi language, but nobody would talk about that, least of all the Democrats. They didn't want to rock the boat.

EXACTLY.

I wonder if people like yourself will ever actually listen to what Democrats actually say and not minimize Democrats explicit warnings about Trump and what he would do as "Trump bad" and actually look at their proposals for improving the lives of Americans

Let me know when you have something other than "Democrats bad"

What does taking ownership do to dismantle the agency? A year ago, if you told me Democrats would be seriously proposing abolition of ICE, I would have called you a lunatic. If they feel they need to blame Trump and minimize their own part to get on board, that's a price worth paying.

I don't think it would necessarily be useful to admit guilt or anything, but it would be useful to say something like "Here's how it was created, here's why it seemed like a good idea at the time, here's why those reasons no longer apply, here's a better alternative."

the Homeland Security Act passed 90-9 in the Senate, and a number of senators who voted on it are still in office 23 years later. Since politicians seem to be allergic to admitting they made a mistake, we have all the more reason to push these dinosaurs out of office.

Listen closely, you hear that? That is the sound of the #GOP polishing the "soft on crime" rhetoric... Now to defuse that, or what I want, SHOVE IT DOWN THEIR THROAT.

This is so dumb. The qualifier Trump's ties Trump to ICE's abuses and drags his popularity down.

Big difference. Previously, ICE deported actual criminals without violence. The ICE thugs under trump are very different.

Not only a deflection of responsibility but also a route to reform ICE instead of abolishment. In essence it says nothing, since ICE will tautologically not be Trump's ICE as soon as someone else is president.

Bro please This is pointless nitpicking, that helps no one, and that we really don't need right now :P

It is also redundant. Trump has deliberately and systematically branded ICE as a Trump enterprise, in the minds of his voters more than anyone else.

Most deportations now are of people with no criminal record. This is not "greatly expanded", it's a fundamental shift. And that's not even including ICE arresting (and killing) US citizens. We can have discourse like this when we don't have a giant paramilitary force occupying cities.

Technically now ICE is trump's Gestapo which formed from Hitler's Brownshirts and SA, like ICE is formed from trump's Proud Boys.

I dont know how we can begin to have accountability with a broken justice system. I want more democrats to speak out and take action. They absolutely should. I also have to say, i don't think it matters as long as this regime wields the justice department like this...

Something something those who make something something inevitable

Abolish ICE, then stop police from killing another 1000 (disproportionately brown) people this year. Tax Elon Musk 3% of his net worth and every school kid could eat for free that year (with $2.6B left over). There are many solvable problems that neither party is interested in actually solving.

The sort of reflexive “moderate” urge is feeling more and more out of touch with reality and I feel like they need to fire those consultants, the sooner the better.

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It was Biden's FBI that busted him. Trump dropped the investigation.

Galaxy Brain Shitposting

It is actually correct to say trump’s ice.

I see you drew out some of the most insufferable Team Blue cheerleaders with this one.

SAY IT LOUDER

I dunno I think there was a pretty solid refutation of the idea that marginalized people want Democrats to self-flagellate at the cost of potentially not realizing the material rectification of a wrong.

If you told me yesterday that spineless Democrats were about to put ANY sentence together with "abolish" and "ICE" in it, I would have been skeptical. I feel like I'm watching a frog sing and dance, and you're complaining that the term "Hello My Ragtime Gal" is problematic.

My favorite part is when they say we need to do [X] thing and then they do absolutely fuck all about doing [X] thing

But it’s also the case that this is the outcome the system requires. Replacing Democrats won’t fix the problem.

Go run in Gluseenkamp-Perez's district and change some minds, bro. Have the fuck at it. You're wasting your life sitting here chasing clout with ppl who already agree with you.

Democrats using "Trump's ICE" as a scapegoat are full of shit. It’s just more enabling of the fascist nightmare they pretend to oppose

But but but how will they fundraise without some form of boogie man?! The idea that they don't need to get *rid* of the fascists, they just need them to be nicer is mind boggling.