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If everyone doesn't have rights, then nobody has them.

I think that judge is. He’s trying to establish that the administration went against his orders (told them to turn the plane around and they didn’t), but they’re coming up with bullsh*t reasons to not reply. I hope Judge Boasberg cites them for contempt.

This. You cannot assume the government will "play fair". Skipping due process at any level is skipping due process at ALL levels. They could deport your kids for any reason they want, just to traffic them.

Similar issues with claiming someone is a terrorist

Maybe if you don’t ‘look’ the way they like at that particular time…

The first mistake was to accept the idea of the "non-citizen."

The U.S. constitution says "any person." Person means human.

I feel like I will need to carry my "papers" someday

Yes. And the Preamble of the Bill of Rights states that these are essential restrictions to ensure an effective gov't drexel.edu/ogcr/resourc...

I’ve been looking at the history of Magna Carta. Hadn’t realised how much it influenced the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, or how many members of the Inner Temple in London were signatories.

Not the government's approved citizen. They'll come for your parents weren't US citizens; or trans citizens; or even "disloyal Democrat" citizens; or who knows what category that they don't like.

Dark times ahead indeed

Try telling that to the inhabitants of Guantanamo Bay, or the Afro-Americans who where subject to the JIm Crow Laws. Under Trump The United States is simply becoming more and faster a villain state than it is was before, but it was far from prefect before Trump joined the game.

Slavery is perfectly legal, shitlib www.npr.org/2025/01/10/n...

lol no not free persons "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I have borrowed your explanation to share with a family member who just doesn't get it. Thanks

We actually don’t know with any certainty that citizens haven’t already been swept up. We just don’t know as they have not confirmed who they have taken.

And they'll laugh and fist-bump about it.

Not even “living” but merely occupying space on US soil, which is why asylum seekers are so desperate to make it onto actual US territory. Of course, we’ve eliminated much of those protections by granting CBP unprecedented search & seizure powers, which should be rescinded ASAP.

Too many people won’t understand this simple truth until it affects them. Until someone they know, can relate to or see as themselves, is taken then it won’t seem even remotely possible. Repeating it helps, but it’s easier and quicker to learn if it’s shown to them.

There is documented evidence that people speaking out about Trump have been deported or had visas revoked. People lifted off the street.

it's not hypothetical anymore

"I have a green card!" "It's been revoked." They said, to a man married to an American Citizen in front of his wife, then hauled him off across the country 1000 miles from the relevant court for his case to be heard. It's already being done.

This.

Fifth Amendment says no person, not no citizen, with respect to all of its provisions.

Absolu-fucking-lutely. If they can do this to permanent residents they can do this to you. Showing your papers might not even protect you. Because these thugs don’t respect the law. If we don’t speak up and fight we will not just lose our freedoms but our lives as well

If you use a smart phone, please remove biometric access to your phone. Just use a password.

Precisely.

This is not something you want to fafo with - this eia and other specious eo’s the admin is putting out to illegally deport people will absolutely lead to citizens being deported

Every human being has a right to due process. Be careful that these bigots cause us to forget that.

Was this DOJ around during the Salen witch trials? Same up is down bullshit. Beware the Jabberwock my son...

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Mother’s family (on both sides) came to the US between the 1st and 2nd world wars.

Even JFK was seriously considered by 1960s voters to have questionable allegiance to the US bc he was a Catholic and therefore voting for him was ceding the American presidency to the Pope. Wtf people.

They were/are idiots.

Because it's a white xtian nation. This is what they mean

This! A dangerous precedent and should be contested!!!!

Looks like Putins wet dream’s coming to fruition.

He's spot on

I just don't think in a civilized country there is literally any reason to get rid of due process. There is no reason I can think of to get rid of that unless you want to do some extremely heinous shit. There is no reason anyone should accept anyone not getting their fair day in court

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Even more so if you are brown or black.

I agree, even the claim of no citizenship requires a process to confirm or deny!

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They have been bribed.

Thank you for my sanity. Its wearing thin. 🇺🇸

Circular reasoning, an important Trump tool

Welcome to Canada; I read your book, and it's prominent on my shelves.

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Bravo

lol no they didn't

Hey, thinking is hard and racism is quicker.

I actually had a vivid nightmare that I was being detained because I didn't have my papers in order, and in the nightmare, Canada had been invaded and everyone was forced to wear stars and stripes, but no maple leaves allowed. It's terrifying to think my nightmare could happen for real. ☹️

Very much true....

"Papers please" "But I'm just going to the store for milk!" "No papers! I have deemed you not a citizen! You will be deported!" (dude ends up in an El Salvador prison)

Ah but you’re using logic which they seem to completely lack 🤷‍♀️

“But, but, I’m a citizen!” “Tell it to your cell mate in Hell Salvador…”

The “enemy combatant” framework is readymade

Well, shit. We’re just a shining beacon of liberty to the world, ain’t we?

Come get me, Nazis!!!!!

Or do as the UK did, and state that as you have the right to claim citizenship elsewhere they can withdraw your citizenship and abandon you. See Shamima Begum, who was 15 (a minor) when she was groomed to go to Syria and has had her citizenship revoked.

That's the first thing I thought of! Birthright citizenship needs to stay intact!

Right, what we are seeing is just practice, just a matter of time before a journalist or activist is kidnapped and disappeared.

Catch 22 Actually, I think the US is in a very Catch 22 world atm.

Come on don't be alarmist, it's not like they are trying to redefine citizenship.... Oh wait

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And now that legalistic maneuvering has finally expanded beyond suspected terrorists, as anyone with a brain and a moral compass said it would. People are now criminals if the White House says they are, and no need to see the evidence, evidence is woke.

Many of us thought we were taking a long walk off a short pier, but I’m betting most of us never imagined how short that pier actually was.

SCARY, and wrong. The constitution says all people (no exclusions), it does not say citizens only and we have case law applying it to noncitizens. www.law.cornell.edu/wex/shaughne....

Don't ever let the Republicans portray themselves as the party of security and defence again.

Yes, and it sounds very familiair to the SS from Hitler 90 Years a go.

Due process pretty important

Of course they can't offer any kind of explanation because that would violate.privacy/data protection laws, conveniently.

already unleashed

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. Very scary.

This point is so clear and obvious that it’s mind blowing to me that this isn’t front and center for everyone at the Trump administrations claim it can do what it claims. Its terrifying

A right is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by all.

Yep. It’s your government that gets to decide whether you are a citizen or not. That’s why universal human rights are so important. Nobody can deny you are a human.

The regime wants to have complete control of the citizenry. If we don't play by their ever-changing rules...expect punishment no matter where you were born.

Slippery slope.

russia putin trump regime, alive and well in America

You are also establishing beyond doubt that you either believe that human beings were not endowed rights by their creator or that non-citizens are not human.

This is a basic civics 101 lesson and it's sad that so many are unaware of or willfully ignorant to this concept.

So true! Our challenge is to find effective words and fora to help educate people to concepts like due process. Many ears shut during civics class. Write off the 10% cultists … I believe the additional 39% Americans who voted for DT can eventually be helped to understand his destructiveness.

The only constitutional rights that are exclusively for citizens * are the right to run for political office, sit on a jury, and vote. Everything else: free speech, right to trial, jury, lawyer, due process, etc. apply to "all persons". * it's possible I am missing one but I don't think so.

You‘re referring to words written on a piece of paper. How on earth would you convince your administration to be bound by such worthless artifacts?

Absolutely. The U.S. Constitution makes no reference to citizenship where it addresses due process. Anyone in the vicinity of coverage by the Constitution is entitled to due process.

It was before January 20th.

This was in fact the foundation of our entire concept of constitutional governance before the constitution stopped existing

Where in the Constitution does it say “some of you” have the right to: innocence until proven guilty, protection against illegal searches, a fair trial, protection against self-incrimination….etc etc etc? It’s a STEEP downhill slope.

Keep takin yer Valium.

If you can't see the difference this ruling makes...

Yep. We've seen this movie before. The ending _sucks_. ****thank you**** Timothy Snyder! Good on you!

What they can do to "them" they can also do to you.