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Had a quick read, seems like a very reasonable stance to be in considering the scale of the platform, but I'm curious how people will react. Glad to see it's being addressed though. Finally something being done about the slop world thumbnails at least.

You could make a throwaway and use a VPN >.>

I liked VRChat's suggestion inside that post/survey about having a "Made with no AI" tag. It is the best of both worlds.

Absolute hostility is the only form of defense against these things. If you let the slop in then you will very quickly have nothing but slop. You have to stop this.

I don't share this plucky utilitarian idea that 'some' use of the planet-killing, mass plagiarism engine is okay. there are hundreds of potential translators you can find. there are thousands of skilled coders to help with scripting. connect to those talented people instead of trying to replace them

THANK YOU for actually addressing this! I hope this means you'll be taking our opinions into account!

It shouldn't have taken over a year to get to this point but it's good to see a proper response finally

For now, I'll try to follow the standard set by VRChat's own avatar performance rank and go for the most "pessimistic" option for each question, it'd follow with how safety features are handled and it'd be more fair to those who would want to avoid this kind of content altogether (including myself)

Beautiful stuff!

Thank you. I typed a lot. Sorry about that.

I am hoping that whatever comes from the response you get from the form leads to The best possible outcome.

Did it!

Thank you.

Thank you for finally addressing the elephant. 🙏

The Google form seems to want us to have the conversation of "How much AI is too much AI", but that's not the issue for me. The issue for me is "what kind of AI is being used". Because some do disproportional harm, and others don't really do any harm Answered anyway, but yeah

no

As for the training data argument, largely it is the same story. Artists almost universally do not condone training on their art, while in programming, open source and the free sharing of ideas is commonplace. There is of course complications and nuance, like licensing concerns, but that’s the gist

I'm my experience LLMs are absolutely replacing the developers, at least in enterprises. So it's weird to me that people are cool with vibe-coding. Oh, it's just a tool to speed things up? No, CEOs see bogus stats like "43% efficiency" and they will absolutely fire 43% of the workforce.

I agree with you about stealing code to train models. I'd say that, at its core, code is more of a utility than an expression or a form of communication, so maybe that's the reason for the pass. But that doesn't excuse the theft in the first place.

Appreciate the opportunity and communication you folks are doing here. I have already submitted my survey to you folks. and I urge every regular of VRC to check out, read, and do this survey ~

wdym debating? get that shit outta there

Burn the slop

As a software developer, items 2 and 4 might be the most dangerous, since A.I.-generated code has a reputation for introducing hard-to-catch security vulnerabilities. For just one example of many: bsky.app/profile/tawn... It's scary that you "think this is fine", and I hope you change your mind.

Already working on it now.

If theres LLM or generative trash we 1,000% walk for good.

I feel like this Talks about tagging, and the form just talks about whether they need a tag, but it doesn't go into whether fully AI worlds should even be a thing or whether AI content should be allowed on the marketplace. I also worry about AI bots filling out the form.

Thanks for asking our feedback. The worst part about AI is that because I'm low vision, it's a lot of convenience for things that help with independence. But gen AI is everywhere and I'm bordering on afraid to do anything art-related for fear of surprise AI and awful quality. Now in VR too?!

The fact that there's any blue on that thumbnail gives me the ick....

I hope the pushback I've seen on social media actually translates to meaningful feedback in the form. at least there's now a good way to leave feedback, albeit way too late regardless I've left my thoughts in there because there's no way to fit them in 300 characters lol

Thank you guys for letting us share our thoughts on the matter, it means a lot.

Any GENERATIVE AI usage is unacceptable. VRC is a social platform. A place where I interact with PEOPLE. Not machines

My thought has always been VRC should closely align with Steam's AI disclosure policy (both as a good model of practice and covering the company's butt since we are on the platform, though user generated content might forgo the need to label on steam store page?) a good first step to address this ty

You know, this kind of thing will be a lot easier to talk about once all these ai companies stop trying to kill the world with their evil evil buinsess practices. And until that day comes I would simply refuse to play VRChat if any level of ai is involved.

I can’t believe this is still the case. Ridiculous.

So now that the Creator Guidelines were updates, how do we report misleading content? What's the proper report option?

They have an online survey. Go fill it out before it closes!

Merely for A) discoverability for actual creators would crater given the flood of generated slop, and B) theres a substancial thread to genuinely having to host that much data with no limit on how fast that shit can be reproduced. Its a hosting threat too.

Here's your solution: Get rid of Generative AI. Yeah that includes worlds that make it "look good" too. I don't care. It's anti human and anti art and taking ANY stance other than "Fuck Gen AI" is ignorant. Make it a tag system. YES. For everything. Even textures and code. For groups & avis too.

This is great, thank you for addressing things and giving us a form to fill out for feedback. That's to also say to everyone in the comments, fill...out...the...form. That's how your voice will be heard! Much love

I don't want any part of the cake to be made with diarrhea. Stop trying to feed me things made with diarrhea.

I'm glad you guys final came back to us on this. But all we ask is just even a" hey we hear you guys give us time to respond and work on something" not to rush it. Iv filled out the form I hope you guys make a some changes from the fed back, thanks again !

Better late than never! Thanks for responding!

Keep on going! I'll visit it!

This is what we all wanted. A response. Please next time, let the community know you at least see us. The response is well written, and tries to include both sides. Appreciated. Even though I don't like AI. The mass production of AI assets and worlds, just became far too much to ignore.

Let's give everyone here a little grace as we ALL work through these issues. People's opinions can evolve and will likely change as arguments are made :)

Thank you for listening to our concerns. We all know this isn't an easy problem to solve. As long as you're making serious efforts to address the AI slop problem, we'll be right there with you. And hopefully, in the long term, this will help fix discoverability and world feedback issues!

I like what I've read and I like the immediate changes that are planned. The question now is what the follow through will look like once all of the data from the form has been collected. We'll be watching. Please, please don't ruin this place that so many of us call home.

This is a good response, thank you. I hope the team doesn't simply look at the checkbox/Quantitative data, but will make sure to listen to the worded responses/Qualitative data. Too often has the larger community been unheard, only for a select few be prioritised for "the numbers".

Just a tidbit about that : any autocomplete is a form of AI As soon as you dont use a notepad to do your coding, you are using some form of AI

No, there's no way Valve would consider UGC under the content disclosure. If it did, every single game with UGC would need it, which would make the disclosure useless.

Steam can slice that differently as a private entity, but I think it's guided by the same notion that hosted content is not the same as the platform's code or speech.

This is an extremely good question

In anything submitted by players: No As placeholder assets, like the one that made it into production by mistake: I assume so, yeah

Thanks! The silence had me scared. I understand why it took time. Its an important topic. At the end of the day AI exists only because of theft of human efforts. It has no value in my life. Use it for yourself I dont care, but dont show it to me like you ”made” something of value.

Thank you for listening. 💜

I'd rather more harshness towards AI It's used for fascism propaganda, it's a tool of fascism. it's used for theft of other creatives, and it's destroying our planet. I care more about the lives of other people.

Hahaha the whole fucking internet is broken. Mozilla has been drinking deep of the slop lately.

oh that explains it thanks!

I can't afford a new PC because of Ai, so I cant play your game. Any embracement of the technology is positive feedback for them keep destroying the home PC build market.

I look forward to seeing how much of this is talk and how much actually gets acted on! The silence felt very wrong; I think acknowledging it earlier would've been nice, even if it was just an acknowledgement. Still, I'm happy to see a few of our real, deep gripes stated as fact in that post.

I really want both cookie cutter worlds and fully generated ones to be hidden by default for everyone. Nobody should be sifting through that much garbage unless they explicitly want to.

Flat-ban on it thanks

None of it is fine and im not gonna touch vibecoded vrchat

Thank you, sincerely.

Use of AI as a tool is ok, just don't replace anyone with it. Though with how AI is a scam do NOT sign any contracts!!!

please do something about the rampant AI usage. it's incredibly disheartening seeing so many VR chat worlds using AI assets everywhere, whether it be paintings on the walls, AI videos played on media players, or AI generated music, some worlds are incredibly rampant with AI assets and no disclosures

This is promising. A response like this is really what most of us were looking for in the first place, and even an "Updates on this soon" would've put most of us at bay for a bit. Keep up this pace. This should be front-and-center of your team's full attention (within reason) for awhile.

Not all of us have access to a Google account… thanks.

why are we asking about auto rigging tools? Those were a thing before the ai plague.

These companies love moving the goalpost to get away with the exploitation of others without losing credibility. The whole “we’re using AI responsibly!” approach when there’s no such thing.

Glad you all finally responded. I do hope our feedback is taken seriously and the dialogue doesn’t take months or years to see some change. This is a very serious matter and it needs to be handled properly.

this canny is being tracked for 4 years now: feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requ... I still see 5 year old worlds in the popular tab. Imagine going on reddit and the front page showed some years old post every time you open the website.

Thank you, this is what we've been looking for.

"Some of us use AI to automate parts of our work or fill gaps in our knowledge" alright then I'm not using VRC

Please please fulfill your promise of listening to us. As a creative worker, even worked with furality, more often it feels like our thoughts and feedback is completely ignored. Filled in the form, so thanks for at least letting us submit our thoughts.

“And yet you participate in society” response and logic. It is clear cut. Just because the tech industry like to play non-consensual “sneaky link” with my computer and apps doesn’t mean we can’t oppose AI.

And don’t ya think that in it of itself is a bad thing, I truely have never seen ai in a good light whether generative or not.

See the context of the message. Part of the problem is that conflation causing people to say things like "just stop using AI period" to the topic of having a discussion of "the line". What kinds of models vs algorithms? What does it mean to "use"? Those are relevant questions to the discussion.

I whole heartedly agree, companies need to stop relying on ai, especially when it comes to fixing their human shortcomings. Just hire someone worth hiring and pay fair wages for their work. It’s all that we have been asking for!

One may not be happy knowing the platform was built using AI, for a variety of ethical and practical reasons, but the meaning of "This message was AI assisted" is not genuinely ambiguous to most people who are discussing this.

The line is very simple. The awkward thing is that ever since BlueSky team gloated about using AI, the site's been less stable. Nvidia's drivers are terrible, Windows has so many issues lately since they went AI coding... seems like there's reasons to think it's bad.

So for 1 & 2, for many creators, this isn’t a question of “AI” vs “handwritten”, It’s a question of whether the translation/feature exists at all. If there’s no job displacement, and the code/translation isn’t a thing you ever could have done by hand anyway, I don’t think there are real harms here.

A suggestion I give people is make what you can, put a sign in your world asking for translation help or whatever else you need. Kind and creative people are out there and will let you know if they want to volunteer their time for something they think is worth it.

While you do make great points and on the topic of budget, I still agree, my comment was more targeted towards vrchat and corporations vs the small creator. However using ai in your work imo is still not an answer or solution to get the work done.

What makes you dumbarses think putting ai GARBAGE into vrchat was a good idea? The one that thought of that should be fired right tf now, alongside everyone that supported this utterly stupid idea.

Ah, there we go, finally.

I'm glad we finally have at least some word, but dragging your feet on a tagging/detection system now because you're afraid of having to upkeep said system in the future solves nothing.

Thank you!

Let's talk about this what is this shit make a update for that bug I see damn stupid black box every damn time

Exactly what I was thinking too!