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Oh you KNOW those bitches are going straight to the depths of Tartarus

This is why competently run occupying forces bring their own mess capabilities and some of the most highly valued people in most militaries are the cooks.

I like to think it carries an ancient curse

They write scenes like this into movies about Nazis because it universally establishes them as monsters.

I was just discussing hospitality and how it's basically the core foundation of civilization over on Rednote and like, yeah. This. Zeus had a whole ass aspect, Zeus Xenia, Zeus protector of strangers, devoted to unleashing horrible punishments on people who violated sacred hospitality.

In Greek mythology, the most extreme punishments in the underworld were for two men who violated the rules of hospitality.

Something similar happened at the Glencoe Massacre, and 300 years later Scottish folk bands are still singing about what an atrocity it was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacr...

Don't blame the vampires.

Robin's specifically was talking about Athens and the Delian League and despite its legion failures and atrocities, its stated purpose and pinnacle achievement was flourishing commerce and the cultural equivalent of a space program by ruthlessly enforcing open spaces free of brigands and marauders.

It’s against the rules of hospitality in Norse paganism

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Multiple historians, I know @patrickwyman.bsky.social was definitely one

I think it was @patrickwyman.bsky.social

It's called breaking bread or the salt bond.

Best to let them starve

It’s a very specific kind of evil

It's people with no empathy or actual humanity I believe

They’ve violated the tenet of Xenia and Zeus needs to reduce them to jackboots filled with smoldering ash.

Very few soldiers in either Gulf War understood the value of stopping and drinking tea when it was offered, usually accompanied by information. Often the only things they had of value were tea and sugar

Throw this at any TradCon cheering them. It's hard to go more traditional than the rules of hospitality. I mean sure, there is the 71-hour Ahmed, but even he broke it only once!

ICE agents are gangsters, probably proud boys

The important thing to push back on is the stereotype that poison is a “woman’s weapon.” God gave it to all of us for precisely these situations. Ground glass works too iirc

:) Pete being so angry about an event in the distant past was hilarious.

To be fair - it’s pretty much always been a white American MO, how they supposed to know it was bad?

In the same category: the white supremacists who protest immigration, then afterward go for a self congratulatory post protest meal at an immigrant owned establishment serving cuisine from the immigrant’s home country

A violation of Guest Right, as in GoT/A Song of Ice and Fire. "When invoked, neither the guest nor the host can harm the other for the length of the guest's stay. For either to do so would be to break a sacred covenant that is believed to invoke the wrath of the gods, both old and new."

Yeah it's prehistorically cursed behavior, like incest. Worse.

you'll get your car stuck in the snow and we won't help

Yeah this too. Odysseus could follow the throughline and we wouldn't even have to explain smartphones or anything bsky.app/profile/jack...

Someone who may know/fact check is @quoteinvestigator.com

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They're such big strong men, that they have to wear their "gear" even when off duty to project strongness to others. Maybe if they left the cosplay vest back at the hotel, a restaurant would seat them.

Yes. Otherwise there would be public lists of "The brave officers of ICE," instead of America not even knowing its full command structure let alone the lowest ranks.

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Wasn't aware of that one, though there is a story about some Stewart being accused of murdering a Campbell and being convicted by a jury of Campbells with a Campbell judge. (He was probably innocent, though one of his cousins or siblings probably HAD done it and he might've known who.)

The Campbells are coming (oh, god. oh, god)

they're breaking laws that are older than law itself

Back when man first started to walk upright it was called ‘don’t shit where you eat’. Oh wait. It’s still called that. Ha. Ha. You‘d have to be some kind of a neanderthalic moron not to… ohhh.

ICE are too stupid and kitchen staff too honourable.

Walder Frey.

It’s likely a cultural taboo invented when humans still slept in trees. Shit, it might be a cultural taboo of other apes. Maybe even certain monkeys.

And it's a taboo for purely practical, self-interested reason, too! By betraying someone after accepting food or shelter from them, you're basically telling anyone else who might find ever themselves in that position that they have no good reason not to just poison you.

Hospitality is a key tenet in the old testament, the new testament, the Quran, Buddhism, Dakota and Ojibwe culture, every society I know of. It’s so deeply offensive and appalling I barely can express it.

This concept is central to the Myth of Bellerophon vs The Chimera.

My mother's best friend grew up in rural Minnesota. Her family always left the front door unlocked in winter because somebody might need to come in overnight when their truck broke down, in order to avoid freezing to death. Didn't matter who it was. That was the law of hospitality.

pre-dates tents even.

also, y'know, the geneva conventions

By gods. A lot of them have a thing about violating rules of hospitality.

All of them not just the one they claim to worship

I bet you anything those cunty boys most all consider themselves proper Christians

utterly heinous behaviour

Game of Thrones got pretty famous on an episode that was the opposite of this.

It's an act you'd see in a Western movie to establish the bandits as villains.

There’s an ancient archetype of folklore, also, about the dangers of accepting food. If a wanderer came to an unknown village, it might a fairy enchantment. The offer of food, if accepted, meant that he could never leave. This reflects a belief that taking food carries an obligation to your hosts.

This breaks most society’s hospitality customs.

I once had a boss who used to spit on the floor whenever he heard the name Campbell…

I'm glad people have mentioned the Massacre of Glencoe. I knew a Campbell (of the Argyll branch) who received frosty service when hiring a kilt in the 1990s Long memories as you say. They stayed the night then rose and dawn and killed their hosts

There's still a pub in Glencoe that has a sign stating, "No Hawkers or Campbells."

The unwritten laws of the high seas, like those of the desert, acknowledge that people in jeopardy, far from harbors or settlements, at the mercy of nature, have a duty to common humanity. This overrules all narrower considerations of nationality or allegiance. That’s why piracy is so despicable.

In the world of George R.R.Martin, it makes them eligible for being baked into meat pies and served for dinner. You don't mess with the sacred Laws of Hospitality.

The sort of thing that can get a whole city or tribe obliterated by a wrathful god. The kind of act that brings about a curse.

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Actually, true! God did not get irate at them because of all the sodomy (and gomorry, whatever that would be), but because of guest rights...

Guys, I know, that's why I made the post. 😅

Something something....Native Americans...First Thanksgiving.

and: Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. (Hebrews 13:2)

It's like, you could probably look at any culture EVER and find a legend where a host or guest gets cursed for violating hospitality or greatly rewarded for insisting on hospitality even in difficult times!

(Of course this limit does not absolve ICE, since even immigrants who are "overstayers" under the law enrich the country rather than impoverishing it).

Hades would invent a highly specific personalised torture for that shit.

Literally every culture, every religion, no exceptions, has STRONG taboos about guest rights. Like the absolute ultimate most vile sin is eating someone's bread and betraying them in their home. At minimum you are exiled. Most commonly you were executed, even if the betrayal didn't cause death.

Leprosy and similar diseases are definitely good explanations of the aversion.

That assumes the interactions were consensual

The laws of hospitality are old old concepts and the gods were known to swing by and drop the hammer on hosts and guests that violated them. Breaking bread with your host and then kidnapping them would be a huge no-no.

for fuck's sake just move to Canada if you don't want to tip

The Greek gods would have fucked those agents, perhaps literally

"In the desert, where I was born, only ONE thing is sacred! THE GUEST!" --Attila the Hun, from Fritz Lang's Nibelungenlied

literally what antagonists in movies coming out THIS MONTH do. It’s textbook scum behavior.

Xenia is unfortunately dead.

Ah the american tradition celebrated every year on Thanksgiven day

thinking about the wokescolds who say it's wrong to call them inhuman

It usually doesn’t end well for those who break the taboo

I think that was me. I compared it to the Homeric and Biblical laws of hospitality and noted that God will curse them with fire and brimstone.

Red Wedding vibes.

See also The Balfour Agreement

Vampires. Literally. Fucking. Vampires.

That's some real Frey energy they got going on

May the Furies deal with them appropriately

It reminds me of something done to the Apache tribe: a temporary truce, a meal, and a poisoning.

Did they complain about their dirty rooms afterwards?

I thought of Guest Right too. They'd better hope Arya Stark doesn't find out.

Truth!