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We need to reform our electoral system well before even considering rejoining the EU

So you're saying you hate Britain?

Far too sensible a position, it'll never catch on in political circles.

Too nuanced

That’s far too grown up and sensible, Dmitry. That’s not how British politics are done; pithy slogans and bullshit is all we can hold in our tiny minds.

The key is to come up with a catchy slogan for reentering. "Braccession"? "Brentrance"? Maybe "Bretyrn"?

That's perfect, but it needs to be condensed to a three word slogan.

That wasn’t so difficult was it..? Just need politicians with the wit and courage to say it

Sounds great, so long as Starmer isn't condemned as a coward for saying that while Burnham is just "being realistic".

Starmer doesn't believe 'a'. Because of 'd' we never will continue divergence so never be ready for 'b' and anyone who needs to be told 'c' probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. Membership of the EU in this modern world is essential for the future wellbeing of the people of GB. Time is wasting.

But not being ready doesn't mean u can't negotiate. EU weren't ready 4Trump but they had 2 negotiate. Or are u saying EU would just ignore a UKs request? Because it wasn't ready yet? Guess that could happen

Without putting too fine a point on it the UK is not really in a political situation, currently and for the foreseeable, which would make it an attractive member state prospect for the EU.

Will it fit on a mug?

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The thing is, he'll be hammered by the right-wing press for literally anything. And the other side aren't doing subtle in the slightest. At some point, you may as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb, the "carefully now" approach doesn't work if you're the only one doing it.

In 2016 one side used clarity and facts (because that's what we had) and one side didn't. The UK population as a whole isn't that rational.

I like this damp flannel.

Would it be clearer to you if he'd been wearing a superhero costume?

Rejoining is going to take vision and leadership. We are still in Corbyns " I'm 7/10 in favour of it" territory. A waste of everyone's time frankly.

I believe Starmer has spoken about these thing already

Exactly that!!

In his Rivers of Blood, sorry I meant Island of Strangers, speech

And me 🇪🇺

Me too but was trying to pick a range of people that will really benefit from membership but happy to expand the upper end a bit !! 🤏

Ditto.

Agree! Followed.

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Stop the Bleats.

Cooperation, not cuntery

How do we vote for you?

Just buried would do.

Nuance and intelligence. Won't work ;)

Yes, how about it?

That indeed was my point!

Doesn't sound like you Believe In Britain enough! Another few flags per sq/km should help you out.

Way too rational and sensible.

Starmer and Reeves have never articulated point a.

Perhaps needs something added to quell the "Sovereignty" argument? Any suggestions?

UK would need to pull out of the CPTPP if it ever rejoined the EU Single Market and Customs Union because CPTPP commits it to have tariffs different to those of the European Union (and the whole point of a Customs Union is one single external tariff).

not forgetting d) to include a commitment not to do anything substantial which encourages re-entry

I believe in my country

I can see the point made here..👇🏻 bsky.app/profile/pete...

Which ends up in the position where you put the question as to if you look at joining the EU (rejoin makes it sound too much like going back to the same as before) in the manifesto for the next election in 2029

Most intelligent position. Sadly 40% of UK would stop reading at "EU" in point (a), and another 40% would be pissed off by statement by end of point (b)

The EU has shown itself to be remarkably good at dealing with multiple and sometimes conflicting issues and member state positions but the UK will only ever know what challenges lie in the way of rejoining when the UK asks to rejoin.

Quick, find this man a safe seat!

Reversing brexit may not be a panacea, but it will certainly help to improve thngs while making other necessary changes. A stronger economy and higher tax revenues always make the government's job easier.

Just don't talk about it for another five years or so, then just do it 😁

far too bloody sensible

Surely you forgot: d) Rejoining the Customs Union for some, miniature Union Jack flags for others.

I think I’ve heard that somewhere before?

Sounds good to me.

my personal experience as a person who moved from Bulgaria to the UK in the mid-2010s is that things like food and clothes felt noticeably cheaper (even in absolute terms, not adjusted for income) in the UK, despite Bulgaria being on the far low end of the quality of life spectrum of the EU

However either Burnham needs to beat Farage threat off first and saying Rejoin now plays into his hands as he fires up old arguments Or Burnham can beat Farage by nailing him for Brexit's failure and lies and promising to reverse it when appropriate

But that's complex and nuanced Dmitry. (fwiw I completely agree)

That's what #KierStarmer is saying and doing. I never approved of the pile-on that plays into Farage's froggy hands.

Which is the current plan.

Why oh why do politicians not listen to people such as yourself. As you state an involved process needs discussion. Why do they go absolutist . I think they are terrified to present an argument and are assuming views of people feeling they have to comply. No intellectual confidence.

On B, I don't have access to EU sources to have an educated guess on that, but personally I believe the EU will need a stable UK government that is openly pro EU, and a Farage that has been contained. 3/3

It would take sometime for us to meet the standards required to join various institutions of the EU (pesticides is one example) so we might as well go about aligning on these areas on the quiet, in advance of any formal application to rejoin.

Surely we can do more than one thing, especially the rare things with 4%+ GDP impact in near to medium term. We should push ahead on rejoin or maybe re-form with Canada, Ukraine etc. AND do other things too. Create some buzz on things that are real, not flag waving nonsense

Far too sensible - absolutely no chance

Let’s hope so. But this disingenuous rhetoric is relentless.

See. It's not hard is it?

I, for one, welcome you as the UK’s new overlord …

I'd vote for that shit

British media won't read after your first point 🤷

Yep - but this needs a timeline that doesn’t exceed the next parliamentary term.

No, we will just continue to fail even more.. Brexit was based on lies

You could be a speech-writer

Reasonable and sounds like a lot of hard work. Would never gain traction in the age of slopulism.

I would absolutely agree with that. But there would be a lot of objections from the Reform team, accusing you of betraying Brexit. So you would have to put a campaign in place to constantly highlight the harm Brexit has done. Evidence based.

You mean, precisely what Keir Starmer is currently doing? 🤷‍♂️

Don't be ridiculous, that's way too grown-up, nuanced and sensible.

Right now the UK will shit itself the second adopting the Euro is so much as floated.

b) will depend to an extent on how the EU sees the political landscape in the UK.

Where do I sign?

Start blaming the electorate for their lives getting worse. "You'll no doubt make the same mistake again, by making Nigel Farage your PM, and it will be all your fault when your quality of life decreases significantly. Stop falling for obvious cons."

Gets my vote

Can you send this to Burnham please.

Perfect. I’d support that

I have discussed this with my parliamentary colleagues, and we have agree that, moving forward, we urgently need to burn the witch!!

While a party who wants to tear up the ECHR, TCA, WA and GFA may get into power it is rather wise to deal with that rather than seek to rejoin the EU.

Aspiration instead of grievance sounds sensible. Grown up conversations about Britain's future relationship with the EU are becoming inevitable. The only people still hanging on to brexit are lying grifters or intellectually challenged bigots with a side hustle on X.

No, no, no, Dmitry. That's just defeatist nonsense. We'll fix this country by Deporting All Darkies and Selling Everything That Isn't Nailed Down to our true patriots and saviours, US oligarchs! This will inevitably lead to the establishment a new British Empire, cheered on by our former colonies

Just go with A)