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This is how most interweaving social structures work anyways… This is a great way of putting it to words

i think the best point in this article (and the most pfrazee point) is where you talk about the purpose of protocols ,, this pov might be your biggest contribution in a way !

not at all! <3

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appreciate it!!

Already reposted it there ✅

Saying this as someone who's been on the fediverse for years now. While atproto definitely does have its painpoints currently, I still think it's an improvement over the status quo of ActivityPub

Excellent! I will give it a read 👍

I have friends that are curious abt bluesky as an alt to big social media for speech reasons but I've always failed to get across it's advantage in a way that wasn't glazed-eyes-technical. Your post is the perfect combo of tech/ideology, conveyed succinctly, that I think will finally convince them.

@jimray.bsky.team just knocked out a script for the atproto site, I'm sure I can steal that

I’ve been calling this ‘heterogeneous networks’, to contrast with P2P and federation which both assume a certain homogeneity in computer capabilities and resources. We need networks with specialization and coordination across them. One of the many reasons I’m so excited both at proto!

These were good reads github.com/beakerbrowse... medium.com/bloated-mvp/...

True. Don't understand everything. I think "Mastodon" for Activity Hub. I haven't used Nostr but am familiar with P2P. I admire the effort all of you are putting into the backend, the foundation.

(nodding) Bluesky

was here for the sports content, didn’t know you were a nerd. unfollowing

just saw it now and it was fun thank you paul

It’s getting nerdy in here!

high five your bro to read this blogpost

Nice writeup, Paul.

I wish there was more effort into self hosting app views as well since that's an easy chokepoint to influence, evidenced by the age verification with bluesky that was rolled out.

Great write up, thanks Paul!

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So that I understand. Bsky will be "actually" (practically?) decentralized after the following to-dos... - more than just 2 big AT instances - find a way to fund flagship, or otherwise large instances (without needing VC) - fix lingering deplatforming issues 🤗

Suggested users are **broken** Every time I visit a friend’s profile, I’m blasted with NSFW and AI generated art accounts. Why the hell am I being suggested these?! Please disable this feature or give us the ability to turn it off, it’s absolutely terrible.

what happens when donald trump orders the dns of a pds provider or appview to be censored like they do with piracy sites and some other grey area things

yea atproto has a bunch of blockchain-y components (minus the blocks), and it even has a consensus component: the plc directory which sequences the key mutations! except the consensus is a centralized org.

Interestingly, even though I know that, and it was the thing I think makes this a winner. It wasn't until I used @tangled.org that it really dropped for me. Centralized, global find of my code, but my knot sits under my desk. Very cool.

The monetization bit is interesting. I've got an idea that would monetize off the protocol, but we'd be contributing pieces to the magical mesh. If customers demand portability then self-interested actors will see contribution as a cost of doing business.

good post! i think it addresses the core purpose and issues well and has helped solidify a critique that's been forming in my head for a while...

Love this article. We're leveraging ATProto for Cabin, which is an open-source, privacy-focused social network designed as an ethical alternative to Facebook.

I'm curious to know how this applies to the relays - do you foresee the need to do any fine-grained (eg. account-level) filtering at that level? Or just shut off entire PDSes if 3rd-party ones have content you determine you can't carry on the relays?

Ah yeah, makes sense that it would not only be a technical implementation task…

very interesting and very cool. thanks! guess it would be good to work on adversarial backups in the meantime

I mark this and Dominic in my mentions completely agreeing w u as kind of a turning point in the libertarians losing at least the non defi, social aspect of decentralization. It feels a bit like growing up. I hold the values of purist p2p near and dear but societal collapse isn't a good jumping off.

Same here!