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You can do iterative development without breaking services though. Yeah it’s slower. There’s a lot of change management architecture needed to do it smoothly. Musk takes it literally though. He’s literally causing service outages. That’s totally avoidable. Well assuming those are accidental.

You didn't put quotes around optimizing.

thank you for clarifying!

If Elon has been playing a long game his team has hacked into and prepared code changes years in advance and the kiddie scripters are just putting on a show. I don't think that's the case. Musk's support is too recent.

Ive been in my current job for nearly five years, in my current team for a couple (before that, I taught software engineering). Just getting my head around a few key tables in the thousands in the database took more than that.

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If the collection of the data can aid in the winning of and election, PLEASE scream this everyday and insist on paper ballots and hand counting.

Probably just throwing it all into GRONK AI and seeing what it comes back with!

I don’t doubt it. It just sounds like a sanctioned hack 🤯

Just the fact he has access to these systems is bad enough, what he can do with the data is alarming to everyone

this is really good information for most people to see. yes, they are shitty and scary ghouls, but no, they cannot transform a massive pile of data likely across multiple mediums into useable information that quickly.

They're stealing our information

So, the likelihood that these deviants have not only gotten the data but also analyzed it to uncover this alleged fraud is 0%, right? Like HOW?

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In this case, "optimizing a code base" means "planting backdoors, and stealing all the data and passwords we can"

#FElonYouth

This is one of those times when I truly want to believe!! 💙💙💙💙

Somebody is selling something to somebody. You can bet on it. Muck thinks he is untouchable. He's not. There are consequences.

hackers. they're hackers

Best sign ever

Following.

Exactly.

Thank you for being here when we need you

I'm wondering if they bugged the system to send all new data to elon/doge.

They're feeding our SSNs into Grok but WHATEVER. /me panics

Probably from the close-the-barn-door-after-the-horse-has-run-out department, but it should be standard practice for every government agency to have a "bug out" button that burns the code books and smashes the crypto machines, so that an invader gets nothing.

I regularly see industry "professionals" saying Elmo is really clever, and then citing the most moronic, entry level work possible. He's got a predictable managerial style that plays to the "not invented here" crowd, and a million sycophants desperate to blow smoke on LinkedIn and tech journals.

and then they are also somehow experts on health care fraud now, an entirely separate skillset. I won't even mention aviation, it's too absurd.

And it doesn’t matter that none of them has experience not breaking production environments, because breaking them is part of the plan.

They were probably promised pardons.

I think they're smart enough to understand, and are fully on board with the plan.

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Because I understand it so well, this is what keeps me up at night.

I imagine trying to warn people will be met with a lot of "Well that Elon has made a whole lot of money and sent people to mars so I think he knows what he's doing! I would rather a smart man like that run technology for the government than people who have never been to mars before".

Network Admin here and have seen what one person can do with the right knowledge and tools to an entire system especially creating a way in when you are no longer on site. This is really scary for our country.

Same background for me. I predict it's going to end up being a ransomware-style attack when it's all said and done.

Hi Thomas! Thank you & followed! Ina also going follow a few who respond in this thread with reason.

I believe you

Well this is worth a follow 👏👏👏

They are taking data from very secure encrypted servers and placing them on insecure servers while the entire gov't just lays down and lets them do it. Sticks to high hell

Analysing a bit the tools they used, the size of the system and the software complexity I may say that they barely have time to gain access and maybe install some backdoors. I really don't see what else they could do in such a short time in such a humongous system.

They put in comments

I think they are getting all the data ie. everyone’s personal info to merge it with voter data to see who they can submit votes for - people who don’t vote and other election cheating things.

Yea, I know nothing of COBOL, but I have used DB2, though it was a good 15 years or so ago.

I just replied to another comment on here. It's a big data steal. Imagine what you can do with that training LLM of the sensible data of the whole US population including profile pictures (see your drivers licence). What a complete surveillance tool you would have. 1/2

They don’t care about the code. They are stealing the data. Plenty of tools around to move the data to queriable structures and then it’s essentially open. Data is probably in Moscow already /s

i’m fucking HOWLING

100% agreed. Three days for a code review itself is absurd, let alone reengineering, rewriting, and redeploying code. Now, if you were just dropping a script into a code base -- say, a data capture/transfer... ...let's just say that's far more plausible.

Hi Thomas, This whole thing is orchestrated to get people to freeze in response. They would like to keep your tax money for as long as possible. They are running a float and the interest is what they are interested in here. Ignore them and file for your refund. It’s smoke and mirrors. Love, Kelly

Ask any IT professional about implementing SAP on top of 50 years of siloed legacy applications. But magats often aren’t IT professionals.

Truth

They may not have optimized it but they can copy the code & rewrite it on another server. The closed the portals. So they can interrupt processes.

I deeply regret my idiotic statements

I agree. I have been maintaining DOD data for decades and those DOGE kids could cause chaos.

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Worked in most areas of IT from small business to Fortune 500 companies for 20 years and yeah, this is all a giant fuckin clown show. You got an crazy billionaire buying an election and then gutting the government so he can give himself and his friends a tax break. We all pay that tax. Despicable.

THANK YOU. Information Governance person here who works closely with InfoSec and Privacy, and has experience with audits, financial forensics, and legal discovery. Complete and utter bullshit 😠

I suppose if they changed the permissions on the databases, they could do brute force database updates with SPUFI, and not even mess with the COBOL programs. (Of course, unless the databases and their dependencies are very simple, this is fraught with the potential for errors.)

How is it “bullshit” if it’s fucking happening?

Another life long programmer here. Imagine the scale of the data corruption (likely) introduced when they started playing with code that old.

He said it.

Oh, is “optimizing the code base” what we’re calling installing back doors, now?

Yup. @lizthegrey.com from Honeycomb has been sounding alarm bells on this. thebulletin.org/2025/02/why-... The whole org has more than proven themselves unworthy of even read-only access. Terrifying to watch.

You can't just "optimize" a code base you know absolutely nothing about. That would take time. At least the time of learning the code itself and finding out what it does to even begin to know what to change. One of the many red flags giving away obvious lies.

I love hearing specialists in affected fields speak out!

I wonder if they're writing their tests first.

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Lmao damn I forgot about that dipshittery. We were all laughing at him about that, but he's dangerous

Same. I've been in NetOps\SecOps almost 35 years. Even if I hired one of these punks myself, I wouldn't have given them the keys to the kingdom on day one.

Head of Engineering for a MarTech company here. Total and unbridled bullshit. The trillions of lines of government source code are so old they’re having trouble finding engineers for support & maintenance. A few people in the world might know how to optimize 70 yo code, but not 22 yo tech bros.

Hi, I'm an IT Systems Engineer with 15+ yrs. This man is 100% correct.

You mean it was a ruse? 😂🤣

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Like what else can you say?? FUUUUUCK!

If the US is lucky it'll go down like Y2K with laypeople claiming it was overblown while insiders will know about the real efforts to recover security.

And creating backdoors into the system?

This is EXACTLY what I think too.

This isn't scifi anymore. Found you a dissident person? You could eliminated them in a snap of your fingers. It all fits in a bigger plan. If you didn't see this I recommend you do look at this video. 2/2 youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Personally I don’t know exactly that gov contractors or gov employees have need to know scope on access to raw data. So $200+ million and “potential” election fraud is the price to get to plug into all departments to attain one of the largest training sets in the world.

And correct me if I’m wrong, but the systems are decades behind. I worked in acquisitions for BOR in 2010 and it was green screen. The update that year was 2007 because it had to be compatible with multiple systems. This shit crashed imo. They stole data and ran & these suckers believed it.

I’ve been wondering all week what “modernization” they could be doing to any of these systems in such a short time. Add mechanisms to bypass usual security channels and allow outsider access to easily pause & restart payments? Rollup data to send outside the dept?

I worked at a place once where we had to raise issues like "give this admin temporary access to a specific system" as part of our process-change morning meetings. That was at a bank. Got a background check and drug test before they gave me the badge I needed to get to my desk.

You know very well that at least 3 days out of that week are arguing with product to get the damn thing in a sensible place.

Lmao chill, don't blow our cover. Just because I CAN do it faster...sheesh.

I hope you’re right. My guess is they download the data, then sell the systems to the Chinese:Russians to hack. Or worse, they kidnap a thousand people who know how to program this, tell them they’ve got their spouse and kids as hostages, and get them to end Social Security payments for millions.

Am I the only one who thinks they'll use this info for targeting political opponents, disappearing dissidents, and pogroms against vulnerable communities? Consider how radio stations were used in Rwanda to organize attacks, now consider they're all on X/Telegram and would have our addresses...

They can do many nasty things for sure. Just the simple fact of hacking a system by entering a building and demanding root access is kinda unbelievable. How to call that? Social engineering? No because it is done quite openly. Let's call it a malevolent political engineering, it's a coup.

no, but I'll bet these DOGE incels can break the shit out of everything in a couple of days

@Thomas, am with you. I think they are hoovering up code, data and contacts for external analysis at a later date. Its like malicious hackers and ransom ware gangs were invited in to govermental systems. Cant imagine how much this will cost to fix and clean up.

So they just took the data, correct?

What are they obfuscating?

We don't know for how long they prepared but at least we should remember Musk had to change the US laws to make SpaceX possible. sunlightfoundation.com/2012/05/22/s...

Underestimating Musk has been Democrats' fatal error. Now is time for bold actions.

"Optimizing" aka shutting everything down. Amazing how fast and cheap a process can run when it no longer does anything.

I haven't worked on 70-year-old code, but I've worked on 30-year-old code and, as you say, it's not something where you just pop in and start changing things, especially since the documentation is usually trash by then.

He is an illegal emigrant! Why do we pay to have computer virus/malware protection software to protect us from scams, just to have our personal info handed over to a bunch of freeloading geeks.