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NASA isn't why the US doesn't have universal healthcare, or a social safety net. The US doesn't have those things because politicians with the power to provide them choose specifically not to (with varying levels of support from voters). Enthusiasm for human spaceflight doesn't drive that choice.

It's frequently pointed out that NASA activities (and basic/exploratory science in general) have a fantastic return on investment, contributing far more to the economy than they take. But even if they didn't, no one's actually taking from the "cure sick people" pot to put money in the "rockets" pot.

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"It's frequently pointed out that NASA activities (and basic/exploratory science in general) have a fantastic return on investment, contributing far more to the economy than they take." Humor me, please. What's the actual evidence? I'm not saying it's not true, I just don't know. Please help.

This is just dollars; let alone the advances in medical science, weather, satellites, airplanes, materials, that have a positive impact on our life expectancy, and pure science that helps all other science and engineering. www.nasa.gov/news-release...

nasa.govNew Report Shows NASA's $75.6 Billion Boost to US Economy - NASANASA's work, including its Moon to Mars exploration approach, is advancing science and technology for the Artemis Generation, while also driving significant

It seems they want to abandon learning and improving our situation on this planet in favor of death and destruction. And money. To pay for more destruction, i guess.

Didn’t Trump just drastically curtail overseas aid? Yet the USA can still fund a project involving astronauts repeating what was achieved half a century ago. Why not sort out the problems on this planet before exporting human folly & selfishness beyond it?

Yeah, the real problem is that they keep taking from the "cure sick people" and "rockets" pots and put them in the "war stuff" or "money for rich people" pots.

I think what has complicated liberal enthusiasm for space exploration (I'm using "liberal" here as a proxy for the values of collectivism and love of science) is that it's been co-opted by some astonishingly evil villains. Musk most obviously, but Bezos too, and Trump with "Space Force".

There's now an offshoot branch of space exploration that is not about science and learning, but rather is essentially a eugenics project, to recreate civilization in a different image. In its indifference to science it's also very scammy, because it's totally out of touch with reality.

That is the tricky part, though, how do we know? "NASA" assures nothing with Trump at the top. I honestly wasn't sure about Artemis, until from hearing from people like you, true scientists, whose endorsement of the mission I trust.

Theres a nuance to this that i think a lot of people overlook, or don't know. What if i told you that Musk and Trump ban be bad, but SpaceX and the Space Force can be good? Yes, Elon is the CEO of SpaceX, but he is really just the money guy and talking head of the company. The actual engineers who

I'm not so sure about that, The new head of NASA is one of Elon's billionaire buddies. That whole "all civilian" crewed mission a few years ago was his way into that....

Yet there’s always money for the rockets pot and the feeding and keeping people healthy pot gets jack squat. Probes and telescopes are great. Human spaceflight is a dead end biologically and too expensive to justify. We’re on the verge of extinction and people wanna burn money on cosmism nonsense.

$24b could feed and house a lot of people. But it’s cool, we’ll ignore them and the fact that NASA contracts its projects to the same companies building the weapons. Oh shit did you not know that?

you have been repeatedly told that fixing poverty and space exploration is not mutually exclusive. What isn't clicking? Take that trillion and it can go to healthcare, social safety, housing, ending homelessness and poverty, infrastructure and science, including space exploration, all at once.

Why focus on the relatively tiny amount of money spent on worthwhile endeavours like peaceful exploration, when the massive pile of money spent on blowing people up is right there?

Well I can be opposed to both now can’t I? The fact is there’s ALWAYS money for rockets but when poor people need help there’s none. Helping people is more important than “space.”

Also we’re destroying the planet and there’s never money for stopping that. But at least there will be space junk in orbit for a few millennia as Earth turns into Venus?

Space stuff actually helps a lot of people in a lot of ways. One of the more straightforward is satellites monitoring conditions over the whole Earth — fires, temperature, soil conditions, releases of gas, etc. www.earthdata.nasa.gov

earthdata.nasa.govYour Gateway to NASA Earth Observation Data | NASA EarthdataEarthdata is the home for full and open access to NASA's Earth science data collections, accelerating scientific advancement for societal benefit.

I’m still waiting for someone to list what specific advances or benefits this mission is bringing. What is the specific return on investment here? Everyone trots out your argument but never follows up.

The problems with US government spending priorities are vast and extremely depressing/enraging much of the time. I desperately wish much more was spent on improving people's lives directly, and much less on war. Science spending just isn't really part of that particular equation.

The mediocre destroy what they can't understand and the orange demagogue and his minions are 𝘢𝘭𝘭 mediocre, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮! 😒 It's a prerequisite to admission! 💁 “Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes genius.” - Sherlock Holmes via Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Vast spending on war when tangible human problems could be completely solved with those sums just gives a feel of enraged despair. This world could be so much better for so so many people if we didn’t financially incentivize destruction and mass killing.

What is weird to me is the national labs were basically created because science was considered key to national defense. Other government funding went to research about things like crops, which were also seen as a national interest. Somewhere along the way the grift pushed out the science…

Worth noting that the incredibly conservative Heritage Foundation did a study to try and prove Medicare for All was too expensive and even they found it would save us trillions instead. Money isn't the barrier to better things in our nation. Certainly not the tiny bit of money we give NASA.

"Americans are a people who will spend 5 dollars to ensue 1 dollar doesn't go to someone who doesn't 'deserve it'" is one of my favorite all time quotes and I wish I remembered the poster who sai dit.

Money is never the barrier in the U.S. It’s insecurity. I.e., some Americans are so insecure they want to keep quality services from the poor, whom they feel are “less deserving” of nice things, mostly so they can feel superior about themselves. They are afraid of what equality might look like.

In the 90's I used to give public outreach talks about JPL missions. I always asked the audience what fraction of the federal budget such breathtaking achievement required. They never came anywhere close. At the time it was around .06%.

I remember reading something a few years back where people were polled on what they thought the NASA budget was, and the guesses were usually off by an order of magnitude. There are people convinced NASA's budget is larger than the defense budget!

Yep. Not to detract from Katie's point, however, that the reason the US ranks poorly in many measures of quality of life is that powerful people want it that way, not that we can't afford it.

Anyway I spend a lot of time here talking about the immense harms being done by the US government & about why we should have healthcare & basic income & public transit & education. I wish those were things the govt wanted to do. Also, I'm glad when they support some amazing things in science & space

Would be a game changer, paying for each other’s healthcare. No longer bankrupting or exploiting the sick, holding them to ransom for their medication. Y’all might stop hating and scamming each other so much.

Sending humans to the moon has very little science return for each $ and feels like a campaign stunt for the midterms. Important science disciplines like climate science and vaccines is cut to unsustainable levels. No need to cheer, I saw this already in 1969.

Exploratory science isn’t actually competing with helping people in need. It only feels that way when politicians turn everything into a zero-sum game. We can (and should) have both: a strong social safety net and ambitious investments in science and space exploration. 🔭 🧪 ⚛️ 1/2

The countries that manage this best aren’t the ones cutting science budgets — they’re the ones who handle taxes, bureaucracy, and long-term priorities more effectively. The US has the resources for both. What’s really missing is consistent political will. 🔭 🧪 ⚛️ 2/2