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We could take the money for rockets to send astronauts to space from the money we're currently spending on rockets that kill people

Oh but they are. But it's not the "space rocket" pot, it's taking from every pot to put in the "murder brown people rocket" pot.

Well, not THOSE kinds of rockets anyway. Slap a warhead on there and they'll cut whatever they want to fund it.

Correct. Because the cure sick people pot essentially isn’t really funded in the way that the military industrial complex is.

This is just dollars; let alone the advances in medical science, weather, satellites, airplanes, materials, that have a positive impact on our life expectancy, and pure science that helps all other science and engineering. www.nasa.gov/news-release...

Of course but Department of defense created gps 50 years ago.

Well not THAT rockets pot.

Considering your insightful post, how might Moob users, perhaps even this Easter, unite to champion solutions for a brighter future?

Yes, they are. It's all one pot, pretty much.

Didn’t Trump just drastically curtail overseas aid? Yet the USA can still fund a project involving astronauts repeating what was achieved half a century ago. Why not sort out the problems on this planet before exporting human folly & selfishness beyond it?

Yeah, the real problem is that they keep taking from the "cure sick people" and "rockets" pots and put them in the "war stuff" or "money for rich people" pots.

There's now an offshoot branch of space exploration that is not about science and learning, but rather is essentially a eugenics project, to recreate civilization in a different image. In its indifference to science it's also very scammy, because it's totally out of touch with reality.

That is the tricky part, though, how do we know? "NASA" assures nothing with Trump at the top. I honestly wasn't sure about Artemis, until from hearing from people like you, true scientists, whose endorsement of the mission I trust.

I'm not so sure about that, The new head of NASA is one of Elon's billionaire buddies. That whole "all civilian" crewed mission a few years ago was his way into that....

$24b could feed and house a lot of people. But it’s cool, we’ll ignore them and the fact that NASA contracts its projects to the same companies building the weapons. Oh shit did you not know that?

Well I can be opposed to both now can’t I? The fact is there’s ALWAYS money for rockets but when poor people need help there’s none. Helping people is more important than “space.”

I’m still waiting for someone to list what specific advances or benefits this mission is bringing. What is the specific return on investment here? Everyone trots out your argument but never follows up.

People are absolutely unaware how small a share of the federal budget is going to NASA

Sadly I feel like we have Marvin Gaye to blame for this. It's just hard to put nuanced policy analysis into a song.

MLK: A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom".

Tired and bleary. Exactly. All the Trump fatigue of a decade seems to have suddenly descended on us, and his behavior is like a toddler’s screaming tantrum at 2 a.m.

The mediocre destroy what they can't understand and the orange demagogue and his minions are 𝘢𝘭𝘭 mediocre, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮! 😒 It's a prerequisite to admission! 💁 “Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes genius.” - Sherlock Holmes via Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

They've thrown away so much soft power and trade, getting rid of USAID, lose-lose all round

it would be. but that world wont exist unless people are willing to be just a bit less stupid about how they deal with each other.

What is weird to me is the national labs were basically created because science was considered key to national defense. Other government funding went to research about things like crops, which were also seen as a national interest. Somewhere along the way the grift pushed out the science…

American healthcare is indentured servitude. Our politicians are always on the side of the corporate oligarchy.

"Americans are a people who will spend 5 dollars to ensue 1 dollar doesn't go to someone who doesn't 'deserve it'" is one of my favorite all time quotes and I wish I remembered the poster who sai dit.

Money is never the barrier in the U.S. It’s insecurity. I.e., some Americans are so insecure they want to keep quality services from the poor, whom they feel are “less deserving” of nice things, mostly so they can feel superior about themselves. They are afraid of what equality might look like.

Wow, that makes Project 2025 all the more loathsome.

Well said. Agreed.

I remember reading something a few years back where people were polled on what they thought the NASA budget was, and the guesses were usually off by an order of magnitude. There are people convinced NASA's budget is larger than the defense budget!

I write pretty much exclusive on this topic. Basically, I used math and political science to debug our systems. I posted a few relevant articles for you.

We never talk about our leader's lifespan & lifestyle. They can't serve themselves and us. They had to pick. So I ran the numbers. These people who govern us, do not give a shit about us open.substack.com/pub/mrnobody...

Why do we have a government? What is their actual job description? What are they doing instead?

Congress sold our republic, for money. open.substack.com/pub/mrnobody...

Would be a game changer, paying for each other’s healthcare. No longer bankrupting or exploiting the sick, holding them to ransom for their medication. Y’all might stop hating and scamming each other so much.

Sending humans to the moon has very little science return for each $ and feels like a campaign stunt for the midterms. Important science disciplines like climate science and vaccines is cut to unsustainable levels. No need to cheer, I saw this already in 1969.

Exploratory science isn’t actually competing with helping people in need. It only feels that way when politicians turn everything into a zero-sum game. We can (and should) have both: a strong social safety net and ambitious investments in science and space exploration. 🔭 🧪 ⚛️ 1/2

Gil Scott-Heron catchin’ strays today.

Yeah, money from the “cure sick people” bucket goes to the ultra wealthy, people whose yachts require little yacht escorts, like a carrier group.

You're against scientists, engineers, and skilled workers getting paid because Elon wants to go to space, too?

amerikkka would be nothing without the achievements of NASA.

What probably deprives American from these benefits it’s not the military but these endless wars

Disaster Capitalism wins hands down. Plus, there is nothing you can do to stop it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDK2...

🤬...Agreed...NASA is important...it's the tax cuts for those who don't pay taxes and the obscene Military budget and our forever wars...And the Nazi Republican Party that hates regular people...🤬

This is why we don't have universal healthcare or a social safety net. It isn't NASA.

I'm guessing the billions per day the US are spending on illegal war might have more to do with it.

NASA and the military, driven by the need to squash communism, and its welfare systems.

This is one of those issues that will affect the money of everyone in the industry and support industries from Drs to hospitals to pharma and even medical supplies and more. It’s one of those rare instances where they buy off both dems and the gop regardless 80% of Americans want m4a

Fun fact: Iran has universal healthcare.

... and ... I love you too ❤️ My bad 😉

It is also the level of support (money) from lobbyists. Please support 100% Democracy and 100% money out of politics on my website: www.nationalfinancialplan.com It only takes a few minutes/it doesn't cost any money. We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate.

Who are THOSE people? Right now it’s being spent on the wealthy, a schmucks have to pick up all the tax break the they get. You don’t think they’re going to pay that $30 trillion in debt, do you?

NASA has developed so many things we use in everyday life.

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That's what it's supposed to be. You should pay more attention to reality, tho.

Universal health care would be deflationary too. everyone talks about how to “pay for” universal healthcare but total spending would go down so if anything you’d have to reduce taxes

We've gone off on a tangent.

Fear, blame and violence are the only languages they understand

Quite simple no universal health care because of the idolatry of money and the AMA!

1.5 trillion on war and hate. Completely unnecessary.

If people want stuff like universal healthcare they need to get out and vote for candidates who promise to deliver it. Plenty do. The people have the power and responsibility ultimately lies with the people to educate themselves about what their candidates are or are not promising.

Probably has more to do with rich folks wanting to cut capital gaines taxes 5% from where they were in the 50s and 60s, like when we were exploring space.

I took "History of the Space Program" in college and we talked about this - there was this chart that showed NASA funding compared to other government spending- NASA was a tiny fraction of every other agency - especially when compared to military spending.

Well said!

Good angry energy, I like it! Please keep in mind that the first words of my comment were "that's true." That said, you make some good points that deserve to be addressed. It's going to be hard to fit my responses into this comment format, though. Lemme see what I can come up with.

After all, those being open while one person on earth is hungry makes us look pretty evil.

This is also true for various other bogeymen (black ppl, migrants, israel etc). We don’t have those things because we elect people who don’t want those things.

furthering our knowledge of whatever they are trying to do. Getting rid of NASA or stopping space exploration will never ever suddenly start funding social programs, it'll just be sent straight to the defense budget like everything else is.

I agree, but that nasa dude with the big ears going on fox and talking like trump really annoys the shit out of me

It's just the tax payer funded test runs for the billionaires whonwill do it in the future . The billionaires should' be funding it right now

It is the use it or lose it policy, lack of auditing on those who access government programs (corporations/contractors), insane military budget, and privatization of programs.

Artemis ii will cost less than our "excursion" in Iran.

Seems like a waste of money when I literally can't afford healthcare or food

National Aeronautics and Space Administration? National isn't much different than US in that context.

America, as a nation, pays 3x the UK's NHS budget [pro rata] into healthcare. National healthcare would also create massive savings. Not having universal healthcare is the choice the parties make for you. Both parties are on the same side..... and it's not yours.

I agree. Running a country is complex. We can't abolish everything except social services. Sadly, the GOP seems to be forcing some very difficult choices by deficit spending, cutting taxes on the wealthiest and now depleting military stockpiles. Also Doge wasted money and saved nothing.

NASA gave us the technology that created all the tech billionaires- yet these billionaires feel as if they are self made and give back little to the society that made them so incredibly wealthy

Whoever said it was never showed up in my feed. My only frustration related to NASA is the outsourcing to private companies, especially the Musk/Bezos companies.

The US doesn’t have those things, not “because politicians with the power to provide them choose specifically not to,” but because there are people in the US (mostly white) who don’t want brown people to have those things so badly that they’d rather go without them themselves. Politicians know this.

Cut defense, especially for unneeded wars. Billions saved easily. Take Care of America #TCA

“The US doesn't have those things because politicians with the power to provide them choose specifically not to (with varying levels of support from voters)” Why would politicians choose not to provide those things? Google public pool then consider reading this book:

What republicans spent by not passing budgets for the last four years would provide first class healthacre to the entire country for years.

“Country X is just about to find out why Americans don’t have universal healthcare…” What happens when the expensive equipment turns out to be useless?

Gotta have it just in case some space critter starts to kill the sun. Could probably cut costs in the bomb department instead.

We should spend less on military and wars of aggression.

Universal healthcare would obviate the need for health insurance providers. Insurance companies (not just health) contributed approximately $60 million for federal campaigns in 2024. That level of funding might have just a bit of significance in why our healthcare system is chaotic at best.

well said!!

Absolutely right. And a big part of that problem of fearful and short-sighted politicians is that they instead spend hundreds of billions of public dollars massively subsidizing a purely private choice in transportation, private personal cars, meaning our lowest-income neighbors must subsidize them.

Universal Healthcare has been presented as SOCIALISM to Americans, who have been programmed to fear and hate Socialism. Insurance companies have a lot of influence on lawmakers, they aren't about to give up that cash cow that is 'health insurance'

Truth.

Until we send in the troops...

You have a significant voting bloc represented by politicians who prefer to punish their enemies than reward the populace with standard health & education standards that are normalised anywhere else in the west, and increasingly elsewhere. I gather racism is at the very heart of that voting bloc.

Holy shit we need a countdown before you go around dropping the truth like this.