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...ratioed's, poo & clown smileys, idiotic manipulative non-replies, mostly syllogisms, false dichotomies, koo-koo assertions without proof etc, etc, etc It's literally impossible to have your own clean blog on Xhitter. And most of them won't even be actual livee people but Artificial Idiot bots.

Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room? On Xhitter, if botnet wants you gone, they immediately send a gazillion of turd-slinging idiotic comments you can't block or delete. Normal people are unable to have any talk among the sea of literal shit-slinging. A viewer from outside will just see...

Counterpoint: in real life we’ve had countless millennia of being able to not interact with people we find obnoxious.

Nope. It is just about Twitter being overrun and operated by Nazis actually.

You should have started by saying you still like X and think it’s fun. I could have stopped reading then and saved some time.

Bullshit. I'd love to be on Twitter telling Nazis to get fucked. I absolutely adore making those pussies cry and look stupid. But just like I don't do at Target because they suck, I don't support Musk. Because (just like here) ultimately Twitter doesn't matter so why do it?

Just followed you to say (how ironic btw) that debate-me culture sucks actually, and we should do all we can to limit its influence.

I think this thread gets at something important: social media is dead! It simply isn’t where good conversations happen. I use Bluesky precisely for the low boil, low algo, links+ info+temp check space it’s good for. A laugh, an outrage. X is 10x worse. It def does not rep real engagements either.

But then you’re all “ensconced” and refusing to hear both sides 😕 (Sarcasm btw)

You could've said "I don't have a backbone and prioritize childish levels of dopamine over human rights and the safety of POC, women, and the entire fucking LGBTQIA++++++++ community" and it would've only taken one single post you fucking moron

True. From what I’ve seen so far, Bluesky actually hits back with way more vitriol than X if you dare to step outside the echo chamber. I've had people stalk me over several posts and insult me for saying relatively banal stuff like "I think LLMs are useful".

but that hasn’t been my experience. Sorry for dropping in and leaving my opinions on your floor. I just felt like this post applied to me personally because I did choose Bluesky because of its reputation for being anti-fascist, and I stand by it, even if you don’t respect my choice to do so.

i grew up on the internet and long ago realized that's an impossibility. of course, we're just a couple more idiots to add to the pile.

The truth is that men and women usually interact in very different ways. Women are more concerned with getting along than men are. Men are more concerned with making and defending a solid point, even if it offends others. Bluesky is female, X is male. Overall, not in every detail.

Isn't that basically normal? "I would like the places where I spend time to be full of people I enjoy being around" is an extremely normal and rational desire. If people want the "global town square" that's fine but lots of people don't!

Lamenting that the liberal forum posters aren’t fighting the War of Ideas on the Stormfront message board

Ensconce deez nuts

who gives a shit man

As opposed to other bubbles? lol

Here’s the thing; it’s not an echo chamber. It’s the Galapagos. In the absence of Trumpers the differences between other factions are more apparent. I’ve realized this trying to explain the kinds of debates we have here to people outside Bluesky.

For those sports posts, I have a browser extension which redirects to here: xcancel.com

Who cares. Pick up a foot ball.

I ain't reading all that but congratulations or sorry about what happened.

Yahoo! more bubble discourse! I was worried we would run out of guys with bubble juice to blow hot air into and watch the bubbles float and disappear without a trace but you came through. Look at the pretty bubble discourse everyone!

Nazi sealion at the door with a sign that says "please no nazis" is just asking polite questions

If you need any more reasons than the nazis then you are willingly sitting at the nazi table 🤣 nazi

We left the Nazi Bar for the hipster bar across the street - better overall clientele, but sometimes shit gets nasty when you play air hockey with same guys drinking pickle backs every night.

'people' — it gives 'people' bad vibes. Which people exactly? YOU don't like it, that's totally fine, you do you. Just say "I don't like it", no need to hide behind this 'people' thing.

statistically speaking, Bluesky is basically proven at this point to have much better clickthrough rates overall, but it really depends on the nature of your engagement here. Brandon was the one complaining on X, and like he literally only comes here to post links. that doesn't work.

did you think limiting replies would close that engagement distance or

No-I’m sorry for real if you’re going to come at this bubble crap you’re going to have to do a better job explaining how bluesky is a bubble and twitter is not? You can’t so for the sake of the discourse please get out of your bubble bubble.

it's just that I don't think any of us agree that this is a fucks-given sort of place what makes you say that

I’m sure it’s more fun *for you*, but pause to consider why that might be for a moment.

Getting to have back and forths with race science enthusiasts, crypto grifters, and bots (with periodic interruptions for AI-generated CSAM) does not amount to roiling, exciting conversation

> "but that misses why X, despite it all, is still a more fun place" I thought it was incredibly toxic, and there seemed to be obvious swarming of troll farm and bot accounts. The level of viciousness drove me away. It was very much not fun. But, it might depend on who you're interacting with. 1/

X is not "more fun" for anyone targeted by the Nazis you seem to enjoy bumping shoulders with. It's not fun for most of us. If your privilege insulates you enough that you're willing to debase yourself in the Nazi bar and blame the people who have better standards, go enjoy your careless sewer.

what i see a lot on Bluesky are what i'd call dead-end conversations. it's either easy discourse happening at a low boil, or people being yelled at over a take, with not enough in between, where the risk of misunderstanding produces engaged discussion. this site doesn't often abide that risk.

I don't think anyone's stopping idiots from being here? But the way blocks work they become irrelevant. Some of these criticisms are valid but I don't think the conclusion that x is more fun because of some sort of "no fucks given" stance is warranted.

In your experience, what was the best result of being in the "roiling, exciting conversation"? Was it the death threats? Or the voicemails calling you a "n--- lover"? No, wait, the lawsuit? Maybe the campaign to get you fired? Those are mine, anyway. Hard to pick just one. So much excitement!

I don't know man, this seems to me exactly like Twitter before all the Nazis took over, including threads like this, which bemoan self-rightous group-think?

Honestly I left twitter bc the idea of helping Elon Musk garner wealth in any way shape or form even as a nobody was prohibitive

The fact you’re helping legitimize a a site designed to promote fascist outcomes, let alone finding it “fun” and “exciting”, means I can’t trust anything you say. It’s just so much hot air written to justify why you choose to remain on X.

I left X during the "great liberal Packer fan" migration after the election to get away from "politics" invading my sports feed. Didn't exactly work, lol. Could really use an "independent" sports social media site. (NOT looking at you, Bleacher Report.)

I left twitter because I don't want to support a neo nazi transphobe who doomed thousands to starvation and disease by gleefully dismantling USAID. But hey, you enjoy your conversations over there, that's what really matters, right?

Please don't speak for me. You have zero idea why I am here. If you want to know, be curious... You know, like a journalist...

like you're expecting a new feed to be the same as it, which again is weird. You make use of a platform the way you want. If you want more hate, stay on X.

Not reading whatever this is

not dousing my brain with farmed ragebait content = being ensconsed

I'm here because I realized that on FB and Xitter I was contributing to, and being manipulated to contribute to, the degradation of our capacity for shared objective reality. Those 2 platforms forthrightly have agendas that are antithetical to my own, which I was contributing to, so I left.

Not my experience, but also Im not very inclined to see your point of view as anything other than your point of view without some data.

I simply refused to be on a website owned by a white nationalist. Period. End of story.

I don’t doubt your experience but consider that Twitter may be quite a bit worse for women and POC who write about politics over there and no one is obligated to put up with that shit on the off chance that there might be a few good faith people who disagree with us

<fake sarcasm> Oh? So you ADMIT you want to be in a rape-threat free BUBBLE, Elizabeth?

That said, I do think its easier for me to self-moderate my experience on here than a professional writer would be able to, as I don't need social media for my job.

See, the thing with that is, I don't need to get into fights defending my opinions from 14 year-old Roblox-cooked Jr Nazis to feel like my ideas are correct and I'm righteously intelligent. I feel that way just waking up in the morning and existing. If you DON'T, that sounds like a "you" problem.

Comparing BSky to × is also weak. Musk didn't make it, he purchased it. Got rid of all the actual twitter people. So I'm not surprised by your opinion.

I would go back if it wouldn't make Musk money 🤷‍♀️

Great thread!

Imma keep it real with you. If you like hanging out at the Nazi bar better go there 🤷🏻‍♂️ who gaf about this masturbatory essay on how bad Bluesky is, how is hating Bluesky real lol close your eyes lol go outside.

I think when you say "conversation", you just mean "getting replies"

I want to be in a bubble so bad, like I don’t want to be in the same chat with the dude on line in front of me at the store who just screamed at the 16yo cashier.

No offense, truly, but the figurative door IS right there

Or maybe people just need hobbies? Most of the people I follow here are artists and it feels odd to say a site is a bubble when it feels jam packed with art

These self-imposed bubbles can be restrictive The other day I replied to a post "If you don't support Bernie's 5% wealth tax, tell me why." I stated wealthier people should pay higher income/LTCG taxes, an annual wealth tax was problematic, citing that Sweden etc dropped theirs, etc I was blocked.

Corey should consider that he might just be a boring, whiney bitch and we are all tired of people like him. Also, we are tired of living in a hate fueled society. The only part of Twitter I miss is Black Twitter.

Cory

consider for a moment that my critique here is not *only* of the users on the site, but also the actual design of the site itself

The fact that I had to follow you to reply shows who the actual bubble is around. And it ain't us, Corey. If we're all in a bubble why did you block those of us who don't follow you from replying? it's almost like WE'RE not a bubble and your whole 20 post screed is a bunch of pathetic hypocrisy.

i should point out that the original goal of social media was to be surrounded by people you enjoy, not argue 24/7 and be exposed to constant ragebait. in that regard bluesky is significantly better than X and even threads. X has warped your idea of what a social media should actually be like

Frankly, it’s nice to reply/comment once in a while, but I’m here because there *aren’t* "roiling conversations." I like checking in through the day for news and insights that aren’t screaming at me in the posts or the replies. It’s my bubble like a morning paper used to be: quiet and text-based.

have you tried just posting good?

"The real problem with my local is that it's somewhere I go to hang out with people I like. It really should be somewhere I have to brace myself for outright confrontation with total dickheads, whose opinions I am unable to learn about literally anywhere else."

Why is that a problem?