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EU: The European Union will require sale of mobile phones with “user-replaceable and longer-lasting batteries” starting in 2027. The regulation demands “availability of spare parts and manuals for 10 years to curb planned obsolescence”.

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Of course, some of us have had a Fairphone for over ten years which has always had user-replaceable parts. I'm only on my second one, a V4. The Fairphone V1 became obsolete because its version of Android wasn't updated & apps stopped working but mine had two new batteries in 7 years for £20 each.

They need a similar approach for electric cars. Replacing electric car batteries must be economically viable. Manufacturers keep their batteries artificially overpriced so that it makes more sense to buy a new car.

It depends on the range you're comfortable with. The main issues I see are: - It's difficult to assess and guarantee the health of old batteries; - Battery performance, even if working correctly, degrades - Vehicle range decreases with age. For this reason, preowned vehicles lose a lot of value.

Making the batteries standardized, easy and affordable to replace would mitigate this issue, but obviously it is not in the manufacturers interest to do so.

While that is true, the range of these cars continues to decrease over their lifespan, and battery health is difficult to assess and therefore guarantee. People should have the option to replace these batteries at reasonable prices. Obviously, manufacturers prefer that they don't.

I'm glad you brought this up. The technology already exists for them to recycle the batteries and repurpose them back into either the grid or back in manufacturing process for new electric vehicles. It's just a matter of choice.

The Right To Repair is pretty important. Next to this the period for security updates is far too short specially when you don't need the latest and greatest hardware you can maintain much longer I often refurbish myself and my current mobile can still last for years but updates till Nov 2025 🥴

YES. I type from an old phone with a cracked screen and a dying battery - maybe in the future I can just fix these things without learning phone surgery first

more similar to ram being soldered into the apple chipsets now and not the cable thing. the cable thing is more like the charger thing which was good btw but they were basically planning on swapping anyway because lightning was at the end of its life cycle in ~2022 but they were dragging their feet.

New Deal 2.0 Universal basic income, universal healthcare, education, corporations and wealth paying their fair share of the tax burden to include paying down the National Debt their abuses of power created. Paying to rebuild the infrastructure they allowed to decay.

Eliminate corporate personhood. Planned obsolescence is a product of privatization. Privatization should be unconstitutional based on profits in the form of planned obsolescence.

Ideally, a standard form for the battery would be adopted. Same dimensions, same terminal set up. Otherwise manufacturers will just change specs with every new model and you will be changing batteries as you once changed chargers and interfaces

Leave it to the EU to protect consumers over corporations. Wish we could get the same here in the USA, but here it's always corporate profits (and their political contributions) over consumers almost every time.

That is called the EU cyber resilience act. This act requeres a service period with safety updates. Now a on volentaire base, but if "Brussels " is not happy with the markt they will go " full commie" and will demand a minimal service time.

Why in the hell do we let the Corporate Overlords dictate what the hell we need and want? They, the corporations, know batteries will eventually die and have made it almost impossible to replace them. It is way better for their bottom line if we buy a new item! This is 🐂 💩!

Go out and look at your lawn mower. Or snowblower - or car. You’ll find a sticker saying it conforms to California Emmisions standards. When a significant market sets a standard, it’s easier for a manufacturer to just do it. There are 450m people in the EU

Lobe pattern ones - I have some with a tool kit I bought from iFixit. Needed them to take the back off of a MacBook Pro to change the SSD. That’s something else that is stuck in place these days too !

God's teeth, yes - I could do repairs on my first car (a '71 Chevy Nova) but my current vehicle? I'm lucky I can change the battery on the thing. STOP making stuff that doesn't last, can't be repaired - it's beyond stupid, it's suicidal.

The 2027 Battery Mandate is the end of "Sealed Glass Sandwiches." By 2026, manufacturers are frantic. Designing for 10-year parts availability and user-swappability kills thinness and water-resistance "hacks." It forces a move from disposable luxury to long-term utility. True sustainability.

…responsible government addressing problems that impact consumers! As opposed to the self-dealing Trump Crime Administration that either (a) invents ‘problems’ to create unnecessary self-serving solutions, or (b) creates a crisis due to incompetence, settling for a self-serving substandard solution

After 10 years, force them to allow aftermarket parts too from 3rd parties. I have maybe $10k worth of things older than 10 years that I would love to fix and would otherwise still be serviceable.

Isn't it amazing how some governments recognize they can tell artificial legal constructs called corporations what they have to do in order to benefit their own people and societies in general, instead of pretending people must be left to the mercy of those corporations.

I’m ok with that except the “user replaceable” part. That messes with the waterproofing and I think it’s a step back. If I want my battery on my iPhone replaced right now, a local tech is doing it under an hour for barely more than the cost of the battery.

It will be very interesting how they achieve this to be end-user replaceable with new advances in how they cool batteries and devices while also charging them at 45W - 65W and so on!

WOW! That will never happen in the U.S. Powerful lobbies rule the regime and the government, when it was one. Planned obsolescence is behind all consumer products, from washing machines, to TVs, to cars. It's outright theft from consumers.

I want to buy these phones and use them in the US if I'm not already living over there before then. My phone is 6 years old and I still don't see much difference from a processor or operating perspective to change. It's 100% the battery is long in the tooth.

A common sense law that we need in the US. All the younger people I know (like, below 50) replace their electronics whenever there's something cooler on the market, but that's their choice. Personally, I'd keep mine as long as possible.

Unhelpful. I’m using a 5yo phone, the battery is deteriorating and I’ll have to replace either the phone or the battery. A phone in which I can replace the battery will be bigger, and not waterproof. I’d *prefer* to pay for a fixed battery and IPX67 or better

And the 12yo backup handset with a fixed battery? Had that battery replaced two years ago. Not quite as cheap as a pizza. Close enough. If the EU isn’t careful. it’ll incentivize people to discard working older equipment, possibly to landfill

With the EU taking the lead on this, one would think it would be easy for Canada to now follow... But no. Because the US isn't doing this, so it makes it virtually impossible for Canada to implement and enforce such legislation. Get your sh*t together, Murica. #cdnpoli #EU

Due to market size you may well find these changes make it to the US and Canada regardless of legal requirements. Do apple still make a lightening iPhone for example. Will they really create an. EU phone with replaceable battery and a different one for the US?

Canada already has higher standards for food compared to the US, so why not electronics? If they're already sold in the EU, companies don't have to re-invent the wheel just for Canada.

Food is a great example, actually. Canada's food standards are much worse than the EU, in large part due to US influence. Yes, Canada's standards are slightly better than the US, but it's been difficult for Canada's government to match EU standards (which has been an issue for trade with France).

The problem is the apps. My phone is old and is working perfectly but certain apps require the latest OS which my phone cannot update to.

Isn't it sad that we're here that people don't just make products to last for as long as possible, that we let it get to a point where corporations could decide to make things break after a certain time period, usually like a month after the warranty expires

Tbh, I dunked my phone once. Waterproof sounds real cool but generally is not that much of a feature. But: you think companies with the resources like Apple wouldn’t be able to pull it off anyway? They can use a challenge other than ‘thinnest ever’.

Yes! Not batteries but similar issue: My iPhone 8 Plus is steadily being rendered obsolete by apps. I had to delete the #AirB&B app as it no longer worked w/o a required update that is not available for my phone. #BBC app now going the same way. And yet, it’s a perfectly good phone. Fuck off #Apple!

Yes!! The new standard aproaches. Time for planned obsolescence and it's wasteful ways to be prohibited. I look forward to Canada 🇨🇦 joining the EU 🇪🇺 where most of the good ideas for the future are presently originating.

We can't even get people to put mufflers on their cars or get the lead out of airplane gas. I will miss the kid at the mall with 15 guitar picks and a heat gun changing my battery if this ever happens.

That is so stupid. If you make batteries user replaceable, then you add weight, reduce the aesthetic, etc. Battery technology has improved considerably since smartphones came on the market. Nonsense. Smh

Tech waste sitting around in landfills because people throw their whole phone away when all that needs replacing is a battery is also a reduction of aesthetic of the planet, so I'll take a phone that weighs imperceptibly more actually

That’s valid, but I’d push back on “imperceptibly”. But, in your scenario, the issue is also the user: batteries *can* be replaced, but it’s not easy for a non-techie. If someone chooses to buy a new $500-1000 phone instead of spending less than 100 to replace the battery…well, that’s on them, too.

Serviceability? Great! But it’s literally impossible for batteries to be both user-replaceable batteries AND longer lasting without tremendously increasing device size. This is a mistake.

It depends what you mean by longer-lasting. I think the meaning here is that they last longer before requiring replacement rather than just lasting longer on one charge.

We’ve heard this before. Suddenly all those innovative companies are completely flummoxed on how to do this simple thing. Like how USB-C requirements would stifle innovation. And then… that didn’t happen. This will maybe spur adoption of generally better battery tech?

It’s not battery tech. It’s physics. Replaceable batteries are as much as 50% non-battery (casing, contacts, extra volume to allow for thermal expansion). Add more for the enclosure it goes into. There is no battery tech around the corner that will increase energy density by more than a few %.

I've replaced the battery in my Samsung S10 myself. I'm a user. Thus, a user-replaceable battery was already being used. The trouble is really only that I had to remove and replace the glue for the backplate, which would be fixed by that new requirement

That’s not the kind of replaceability that is required. it doesn’t have to be as easily removed as was the case with old Nokia phones, etc. You will still need some (commercially available) tools, but no special tools, or heat, or solvent.

Utterly ridiculous statement here. All you have to change is how hard it is to get to the battery and how hard it is to get it out. I just need a Phillips head screwdriver and 5 minutes to replace my laptop battery. Phones can and should be the same.

Good. We need to fight back against corporate abuse of customers. This should only be the very very beginning of a coordinated International campaign of bringing corporations under control