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My favorite example of this was the Baby Wearing controversy. Thinking about how an exhausted, long-suffering parent would receive the gentle critique about them appropriating an ethnic technique to carry their infant. So funny.

oh yeah that specific person was embarrassing as fuck for doing that (but can’t say I’ve observed that behavior anywhere myself at H Mart and I go to H Mart all the time)

See also: "h mart stare" discourse

Ah yes

Given the last twenty years, I think there have been people intentionally driving wedges about that stuff by roleplaying exaggerated wokesters since WAY before we started to notice, and they were ops not even from this country. Somehow that started eons ago.

Though it’s notable that behavior is way less common here (though it does still happen)

That's kind of just a reflection of racial disparity in wealth and income though isn't it? I don't think many hipsters like actively prefer that their upscale mexican place be run by a white guy, it's just that the guy who can afford to open one there is more likely to be white.

Or like, the Cowichan sweaters in British Columbia, where big stores sell knock-off versions of a culturally-important Native craft that Native artisans earn a living at. White business undercutting them in a sleazy way. But that's not at all the same as learning other cultures' food & loving it!

There is! "Americanized ___ food."

Unfortunately, people even within the practices often don't agree on whether or not they are closed and some will offer initiations to anyone who wants to pay for them. It's a really complex issue that is best left to hereditary cultural/religious leaders and philosophers to decide.

Remember labeling mandates for GMO foods? We were losing our minds. Halcyon days.

I'm gonna say 'social contagion' and the presence of somebody studying culture looking for how to hurt it. Who knew how prevalent it would be to make sockpuppets and bots explicitly to act the fool dressed up like your enemy? Or the utility of recruiting idiots to do likewise with social contagion?

Mmm... tacos...

Yeah but that would solve about 99% of all problems, and clearly isn't ever going to happen.

well ok then

Oh, but never joke about woke 1.

If AC Space Buns woman happened now nobody would care... At least on here. Twitter would just do racism about it still. It's not like dumb controversies don't happen here (Isabelle Normal Body Type) but it's genuinely better than every other most times.

I have *opinions* about who was the worst about all that but nobody is ready for them

I'm suddenly remembering the days long noodles discourse

It has definitely chilled out and i think the main point ppl focus on now is "is the food good and made sincerely?" I will still stand by how insanely funny this recipe was and how right everyone was to roast Chris Morocco for it. www.bonappetit.com/recipe/ode-t...

Priapic immunity. Gotta love it. (You don’t actually gotta love it.)

Safari Archetype, Lawrence of Bourdainia, etc.

Academic wokery tended to focus on nontenured women rather than the old tenured white guys they were rhetorically positioned against.

Misogyny Dave doing his usual "good leftist" thing.

I vaguely think you’re right that it’s some kind of early Scots-Irish immigrant thing but I should look it up

I adopted yall in 2015 as a gender neutral institutional pronoun–y'all is how I refer to a store when speaking to an employee, etc

Go for it. The more, the merrier. /Texan

Second person plural y’all

it's like, yeah. I think it was that it was in the ballpark as a blaccent? and just...

I have a 13-year-old so I still have to hear some of these hot takes at home.

And yes, we of course should still call out white people who are being shitheads who refuse to acknowledge who they got their ideas from or who inspired them, but I still think deeming randos history’s greatest monsters over stuff like coconut water was not, perhaps, the best use of our energy

People have worked out what's functional and what's performative more and more, which is good.

I have faith that they will be back. Unless something worse happens.

Are bruh/ bro non-gendered now? I'm on some Korean drama reddit groups and posters (whose native language may or may not be English, there are international fans) always annoy me by addressing random posters they're arguing with as "bro" Or maybe they think it's just cool slang in English?

Don't forget mayo discourse. Only white, conservative people eat mayo. Lol

I mean, just from a pragmatic perspective the fact that English doesn't have a standard second person plural pronoun, and there are a lot of situations where one might want such a thing. "Y'all" is certainly more intelligible than "yinz."

my secret identity once had a south african white girl on twitter claim she was appropriating aave for using "y'all" nope, kid, just texan

look, the english vosotros is too useful

“Never use words from AAVE if your white” was a time

Suppose it's your culture to appropriate culture? I don't wanna be a romebro, but to my understanding that is a huge part of why their military did so well for so long. Just copy the stuff that works well from everyone you meet.

Yeah, "liberal white women with cosmopolitan cultural sensibilities exist in a state of inherent moral debt" was kind of an unspoken undertone of a lot of this nonsense. Weirdly more common than bashing conservative white men.

Oh yeh. White women still aren’t allowed to cry without it being considered manipulative.

Well yeah, of course. Cultural appropriation is a long-standing tradition among white men, and appropriating cultural appropriation is basically spitting in my face.

Yeah…it was a really weird consistent pattern that the most rabid bullshit was saved for women

Culture can’t be appropriated or stolen. Culture is influence. The purpose of culture is to influence — to change art, fashion, food, language, music, etc. Cook, wear, play what you want. Take ideas from other cultures and create new things. Give props to creators and don’t be an asshole. Simple.

Speak for yourself, I still thought noodle lady discourse was incredible

NO LET'S NOT THOVGH

I remember seeing a white acquaintance try on the idea that maybe white women who liked Lizzo were liking her “in the wrong way.” @sjshancoxli.liberalcurrents.com’s “Woke 2.0” article articulated that whole phenomenon so well.

As a white person with a keffiyeh, I was probably involved in that one

and yes that example came up because that was around the time people were wearing native american headdresses to coachella, ugh

In case you‘re wondering, the Chinese largely fell on the side of “if you look good in it, what’s the fuss?” (Probably one of the few times my Taiwanese ass found myself in agreement with pro-CCP Chinese nationalists).

Yeah, it always struck me as disingenuous to police "this person selling tacos is white" as cultural appropriation when the actual harm here is when someone is disrespectful to the cultural tradition that spawned the dish. People often like it when you learn how to cook their culture's food!

Now they fight in the yard whether or not little house on the prairie glorifies homesteading and incest. Ffs.

A pretty 17 year old white girl excited about her prom dress from a vintage boutique and getting freaking ROASTED on Twitter because it was a 60s Chinese style. Thank God some actual Chinese ppl came in to tell her to just wear the dress and have fun.

1) It’s always management’s fault 2) Management is CYA 24/7

I wonder if someone will take that seriously and the post will accidentally go viral, starting major global discourse. Which, naturally, will itself be problematic. Noting that is also problematic. An observation that is problematic. It's problematic all the way down.

woke 3 otw

Nah. They got tired of it and shifted to raking up old boomer discourse about video games making young people violent.

Brunch rules as long as it isn't overpriced because they call it "brunch." I am asking Woke 2.0 to come price gouging regulations.

Oh you'd better believe it's gendered

Let’s have a late breakfast, get drunk and call it brunch.

Like I'm not saying there can't be kinds of food that are a closed practice other people shouldn't thoughtlessly copy, but generally speaking food is the frontier of cultural exchange, shared freely, eagerly, and often insistently. The gatekeeping around it was bizarre.

Abusers don't just groom their victims. They groom their enablers and their character witnesses.

Shows a newfound seriousness this time.

but more seriously bsky.app/profile/sent...

good for your daughter! youtu.be/ifIqn85gsio?...

Coconut Water discourse (Woke 1) —> casually lighting fires outside Kansas City warehouse slated to become a concentration camp (Woke 2)

omg, now I'm remembering all those times when some pundit would do a "look what this college freshman wrote in their campus paper about hair" or whtv