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“When dealing with perfectly spherical humans, sex is a total-nonissue. There will not be questions about consent, motive, or libertarian free will” for all other humans, oh boy this is gonna be supercomplicated and we will never have a truly satisfying answer.

She's also his secretary: intelligence.org/team/gretta-...

That last part would be literally illegal because it amounts to demanding prostitution or the old typical sexual harassment quid pro quo.

well yeah that’s what I said lol

C'mon Fire the writers

What are these 'flirt girls' sessions? I assume they're for 'girls' and quite upset at what they could be teaching.

Feels like they're trying to steer kink and polyamory away from the stereotypes of organized events being rote and proceduralist but they're reinventing the reasons why that exists in real time. Like yes the consent checklists don't get the juices flowing but this is why events have it.

it’s fucking evil shit

and I mean goodness knows my 20s were characterized by all the nerds of all genders I knew being at freaky sex parties they didn't invite me to because it was so obviously not my scene 😂 but it seemed that like...more consent and less normativity were involved

Can this kind of event ever exist in perfect isolation?

Indeed, the intersection of work/career, power/money, word philosophy, sex is the problem, much as some would want to kink-shame in isolation. (Pressure to booze with cow-orkers in the Before Times was bad enough; add unpaid overtime, results in dating cow-orkers and office drama.)

The kids are calling it paella.

Well, it was fictional.

In theory, I agree, but it’s pure insanity.

Oh, this looks like the worst sex party imaginable

exactly the wrong people, as far as I can tell

lol, yes, exactly

It feels sort of like how evangelical religions teach kids to go door to door, getting guaranteed rejections to make them view the in-group better. Obviously these men are infinitely more culpable than any teen could be but it's still "teach ignorant person a lie as truth to lock them in" imo.

You know, I thought I had a good handle on how weird and awful these people were, but somehow they’re both weirder and worse.

I should think not!

I've posted it before, and I'll post it again. They all just want the Dr. Strangelove mine shafts. m.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSz...

Now I'm wondering what Weaving Group sex parties would be like, remembering what the overlap between kinksters and crafters is like, concluding "pretty much the same as normal sex parties" and retreating back into my gutter.

Aimee Pepper is also making some great points on how “the culture of Al safety/Lighthaven is detrimentally linked to the culture of CNC (consensual non-consent) orgies.” Again: if you are a woman who wants to work on making AI safer, this is apparently the social world you must navigate.

Hang on a minute. I stumbled across this thread and seem to have ended up in the last 10 minutes of a horror film having missed all the explanation of how it got there. How anyone, anywhere could think any of this is ok, let alone requiring explanation of why it’s problematic… WTF is this?

WTAF are we even doing?

DEI’s entire purpose was to prevent stuff like this from happening in the workplace btw

It looks like thinly veiled prostitution. Berkeley PD asleep.

I do wish they’d stop insisting that it’s “Bay culture” writ large, because that’s a bad conceit to give the rats. You might not get in on the A gold rush, but there’s plenty of ”normal” people not partaking in all this.

I guess technically some pornography would meet that criteria, but even for all of the endless sins and evils in our porn industry there are some poorly enforced legal safeguards. These AI space parties lack even the rudimentary regulatory oversight porn is subject to.

Wonder how those same men would react to a woman taking the position of power and wanting to peg the guy? Does the dynamic of CNC work in that direction as well? Or does it only apply to men in that way?

given the entire industry is built on the non-consensual exploitation of people's data, I shouldn't be surprised. But here I am.

"I can hear my shell scripts whispering to each other at night when my computer is off."

Of course these cretins tried to play word games with this...

bsky.app/profile/tyro...

bsky.app/profile/tyro...

A lot of someones are going to get hurt.

Yeah - prob with a certain class of men is that when they get shipped off to therapy or a workshop, they'll find ways to weaponize what they learn there, instead of using it to fix themselves

The problem is that the workshops people do need to take in this case are not at something called slutcon; they are the ones that convince them that Woke Has Gone Too Far “Oh this is unpleasant for you and suggests your behavior is creepy and you need to change it? Good, you’re listening”

What do you do if you've been called a creep? Simply reshape from the ground up the entire landscape of intimate activity such that it only takes place in delimited settings where everybody has preregistered their consent to everything that could happen, possibly on the blockchain

Reroll your rizz? Tho srsly, they need to go on art museum/nature/life trips. Then when they finally get how small and insignificant they are vs how big the world is, maybe they'll get it.

Maybe. Tho the workshop may have good intentions, the idea is flawed, as is clear from research on educating teachers for cultural diversity. A far more powerful experience is for these guys, who don't understand how/why they are oppressors, to work with women who are equals, and learn from them.

Of course they aren't rationalists will litteraly try to logically flow chart rape in such a way that the only way anyone could prevent it is by being willing to upon the implication of sexual harassment bite the throat out of their attacker or they basically deserve whatever happens to them.

Every time I see what tech bros are up to I think maybe y'all deserve your male loneliness epidemic...

So You’ve Been Called a Creep. Maybe don’t be a creep.

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Oh shit, *THIS* is where the "So you've been called a creep" workshop comes from?????

That idea that kissing is right out but massage is okay is a big red flag for me. I've encountered that massage culture in science fiction spaces (there is a distinct overlap) and it is often intensely creepy and a prelude to groping, plus there's hostility towards those who reject it.

"you have been called a creep? You deserve better - we will teach you to become a Master-Creep!"

that's stupid pickup artist bullshit. it's not even "edgy", unless they're like all naked while they're doing it

I think a lot of these people were into the older PUA culture, yes

This feels *extremely* PUA-adjacent

Some of these strike me as maybe not how anatomy works

Theorizing Yarin/Yud/others and me (we're nominally one gen) diverged bc I chased 🎶, 🎨, and beauty (aesthetics) in all forms and they chased obtuse word jerk offs. They were stroking it in usenets groups among themselves as I rolled into aol chats asking, "who likes <insert band here>?"

This is all just PUA shit in different clothing. It's all very heteronormative & patriarchal. This is just what patriarchy looks like in a society with effective contraceptives that can be controlled by women.

Pervert WeWork

This is just Andrew Tate/Pick Up Artist horseshit with new clothes. Same con on desperate lonely men who had shit dads, giving them permission to be shit to women and calling it "The Game". This new theme is particularly awful because it tries to wear a feminist/female enpowerment skirt. Losers.

Almost certainly connected to some weird hentai crap...

I don’t think vibrators for “uterine arousal” would sell very well … or get good ratings … or avoid causing serious injuries that we can see (from way over here before they’re invented) are inevitable.

Actually, there is some thing "wrong" ... Separately, there is no "perfect isolation "

I think that event is fine but Aella is the last person I want to be associated with it.

You can do everything "right" and she still might not want to go out with you. Accept that going in and enjoy the banter for its own sake, not as a stepping stone to something else. In the long run, getting better at communicating and understanding boundaries helps, but it's a process.

This particular stuff is very, very Online Teenage Millennial coded rather than "human nature" coded. Doing this kind of shit to part of an ingroup tended to result in expulsion (or worse) in human history.

if you treat every conversation with any woman you meet in a social setting like it's a job interview for the position of Boyfriend, you're always gonna be stressed out. job interviews suck.

That "so you've been called a creep" course made all my muscles go tense

"Someone has called you creepy. Maybe more than one person. How can you make sense of that? We don't have all the answers..." I don't have all the answers either, but I CAN answer this one. It's because you're a fucking creep. Try Stop Being a Creep for improved social interactions with women.

Also: this all feels pretty weird. By all means have a good old orgy with safe words but this reads like some tech bros got AI to create a version of a tech show where they get laid.

The fact that there are men only sessions but no women only sessions rings alarm bells