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“When dealing with perfectly spherical humans, sex is a total-nonissue. There will not be questions about consent, motive, or libertarian free will” for all other humans, oh boy this is gonna be supercomplicated and we will never have a truly satisfying answer.

She's also his secretary: intelligence.org/team/gretta-...

That last part would be literally illegal because it amounts to demanding prostitution or the old typical sexual harassment quid pro quo.

well yeah that’s what I said lol

C'mon Fire the writers

yes! I didn't want to muddy the point of the above comment, but I'm also screaming "where's the events for autistic/ND women who don't know how to establish clear boundaries, invite the attention they want from who they want without opening themselves up to abuse, and/or don't know how to flirt!"

Step 1: decide we are at a status level where all women must be socially confident and normatively hot Step 2: few of the AFAB people who have been techies forever go to your parties Step 3: see, women just aren’t interested in/good at tech

Can this kind of event ever exist in perfect isolation?

Indeed, the intersection of work/career, power/money, word philosophy, sex is the problem, much as some would want to kink-shame in isolation. (Pressure to booze with cow-orkers in the Before Times was bad enough; add unpaid overtime, results in dating cow-orkers and office drama.)

The kids are calling it paella.

Wait nothing about that sounds bad

Oh, this looks like the worst sex party imaginable

exactly the wrong people, as far as I can tell

lol, yes, exactly

It feels sort of like how evangelical religions teach kids to go door to door, getting guaranteed rejections to make them view the in-group better. Obviously these men are infinitely more culpable than any teen could be but it's still "teach ignorant person a lie as truth to lock them in" imo.

You know, I thought I had a good handle on how weird and awful these people were, but somehow they’re both weirder and worse.

I should think not!

taco belle here is doing a good job of laying out the pretty obvious problems with weaving group sex parties, sometimes involving consensual non-consent, into AI industry culture:

the idea of throwing a CNC event to which people who need the concept explained to them are invited tautologically negates the first C in CNC I’m honestly unconvinced it’s even possible for a CNC scene involving enough people to call it an “event” to still be CNC instead of outright non-consensual

Wonder how those same men would react to a woman taking the position of power and wanting to peg the guy? Does the dynamic of CNC work in that direction as well? Or does it only apply to men in that way?

given the entire industry is built on the non-consensual exploitation of people's data, I shouldn't be surprised. But here I am.

Okay, tangential to the sex/consent stuff, but if lots of these folks are "expanding their consciousnesses" I can very much understand the paranoid apocalypticism they are developing about their work.

Of course these cretins tried to play word games with this...

bsky.app/profile/tyro...

bsky.app/profile/tyro...

Someone is going to get hurt

Yeah - prob with a certain class of men is that when they get shipped off to therapy or a workshop, they'll find ways to weaponize what they learn there, instead of using it to fix themselves

The problem is that the workshops people do need to take in this case are not at something called slutcon; they are the ones that convince them that Woke Has Gone Too Far “Oh this is unpleasant for you and suggests your behavior is creepy and you need to change it? Good, you’re listening”

What do you do if you've been called a creep? Simply reshape from the ground up the entire landscape of intimate activity such that it only takes place in delimited settings where everybody has preregistered their consent to everything that could happen, possibly on the blockchain

Reroll your rizz? Tho srsly, they need to go on art museum/nature/life trips. Then when they finally get how small and insignificant they are vs how big the world is, maybe they'll get it.

Maybe. Tho the workshop may have good intentions, the idea is flawed, as is clear from research on educating teachers for cultural diversity. A far more powerful experience is for these guys, who don't understand how/why they are oppressors, to work with women who are equals, and learn from them.

Of course they aren't rationalists will litteraly try to logically flow chart rape in such a way that the only way anyone could prevent it is by being willing to upon the implication of sexual harassment bite the throat out of their attacker or they basically deserve whatever happens to them.

Every time I see what tech bros are up to I think maybe y'all deserve your male loneliness epidemic...

So You’ve Been Called a Creep. Maybe don’t be a creep.

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Oh shit, *THIS* is where the "So you've been called a creep" workshop comes from?????

That idea that kissing is right out but massage is okay is a big red flag for me. I've encountered that massage culture in science fiction spaces (there is a distinct overlap) and it is often intensely creepy and a prelude to groping, plus there's hostility towards those who reject it.

"you have been called a creep? You deserve better - we will teach you to become a Master-Creep!"

that's stupid pickup artist bullshit. it's not even "edgy", unless they're like all naked while they're doing it

I think a lot of these people were into the older PUA culture, yes

This feels *extremely* PUA-adjacent

Some of these strike me as maybe not how anatomy works

On one ✋, there's a human tragedy there. Empty holes in their psyches/intellects that will never fill no matter how many SC they attend. Then I remember the massive pain they've caused and are causing (incl directs to me) and they can f right off.

This is all just PUA shit in different clothing. It's all very heteronormative & patriarchal. This is just what patriarchy looks like in a society with effective contraceptives that can be controlled by women.

Pervert WeWork

This is just Andrew Tate/Pick Up Artist horseshit with new clothes. Same con on desperate lonely men who had shit dads, giving them permission to be shit to women and calling it "The Game". This new theme is particularly awful because it tries to wear a feminist/female enpowerment skirt. Losers.

Almost certainly connected to some weird hentai crap...

I don’t think vibrators for “uterine arousal” would sell very well … or get good ratings … or avoid causing serious injuries that we can see (from way over here before they’re invented) are inevitable.

Actually, there is some thing "wrong" ... Separately, there is no "perfect isolation "

I think that event is fine but Aella is the last person I want to be associated with it.

There are men who can go from zero to explicit talk and it will work for them. By you being in this class, you're not one of them. Light and breezy is where you should start. The minimum viable product (hey they're techies!) isn't sex or 2nd base: it's an enjoyable conversation for both.

are humans going to change in a few 'woke' generations? I think not! we've been trying to change for 6000 years of recorded history. sigh... the good news is that species seem to last only 2-10million years, then speciation can happen.

the pressure you put on a conversation by treating it as a seduction tactic. it's not enough to have a nice interaction with someone you met, it has to be SO NICE and they have to be SO IMPRESSED that they want to see more of you & maybe even get in your pants. a friendly chat is treated as failure.

That "so you've been called a creep" course made all my muscles go tense

"Someone has called you creepy. Maybe more than one person. How can you make sense of that? We don't have all the answers..." I don't have all the answers either, but I CAN answer this one. It's because you're a fucking creep. Try Stop Being a Creep for improved social interactions with women.

Also: this all feels pretty weird. By all means have a good old orgy with safe words but this reads like some tech bros got AI to create a version of a tech show where they get laid.

The fact that there are men only sessions but no women only sessions rings alarm bells

bsky.app/profile/fain...

Based on the syllabus, they learn pickup artist techniques from the '90s mansophere.

OK then.

Wow! I learned SO MUCH today.

Asking someone about attending Slutcon tips much more about the asker than the askee.

Yes, it's a hostile work place for sure.

i think ai safety is just a marketing term made up by the gaslighting kink woman for the silicon valley groupsex scene

This is really gross. Nobody will ever convince me that people with these values are building a product that is going to be good for humanity

oh didn’t realize they were on here!

thank you!!

yes big time seconded

"consensual adults"? Those words don't go together in that way.

All of these people are "self taught" and believe they are geniuses.