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I agree.

* the vast majority of Americans don’t even know that’s what it stands for.

Or even just a reporter asking “so…you’re pro-fascism?”

I like it

Yep, I agree. I’ve been saying this for years.!

They are pro-fascist. They either know they're pro-fascist or they believe "fascist" is literally meaningless and just an insult people use against them. Cleverly adjusting the terminology we use will do no more to change their minds than highlighting Trump's hypocrisy does. It's a liberal fantasy.

This is what I find interesting. Do they not understand what antifa means or do they just pretend not to. It literally mean against racism which is what they pretend to want. I totally agree with you.

Great point!

Very true

This is a great thought. And, sadly, I agree that the propaganda has convinced some this is an actual organization.

Agreed. The ones who do understand what it stands for and oppose it are pro-fascist. But, like any short form of words, "antifa" can sound mysterious to those who don't know that it is simply the short form for "anti-fascism."

YES!!! I wholeheartedly agree with you!

Saying the word is a lot more powerful. Anti-fascist. Diversity, equity, inclusion. Assassination. And all the other wonderful words in our dictionaries that are more powerful.

💯 correct

Very good idea.

For certain. The time to mince words is past. We must be clear and direct if we care about getting messages across the aisle, that's how it must be.

You're darn right that most MAGAs don't know what antifa means. I've just moved from the Land o' MAGA Stoopid, and most of them think antifa is a libtard criminal organization that bombs ICE agents and promotes criminal activity. I couldn't wait to get out of DumbDumberDumbererVille.

There are many MAGA who think the 'fa' stands for First Amendment.

Agreed. They specifically created "antifa" for this purpose and defined the language progressives also adopted.

Antifa sounds like a non-English word you might hear in a terrorist-sponsoring country, like, say, Trump's favorite bribe-giving country of Qatar.

Same with DEI. Make them admit to being staunchly against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Make them say out loud who they really are.

Yes

I think even understanding what fascism is is already an issue. Let’s just say anti-Nazi.

I agree and have had this thought myself! Thanks for sharing!

I don't even really hear leftists say antifa much tbh. It's always used in a sort of tongue in cheek way.

Prefer Americans myself

Kinda wild that people are just now realizing this. The silos people in are crazy

It’s no coincidence they put the emphasis wrong, it’s not an-TEE-fa, it’s antee-fah. It’s purposely misconstrued.

Yes. Insist on calling it Anti-Fascist. This is a good idea.

Because their base are fucking morons.

You’re giving them too much credit thinking they understand what fascism is - and that supporting it is a BAD thing

They were the ones that helped popularize the term. Think Richard Spencer setting himself up to be punched by “antifa”… all brilliant inorganic manipulation of language and shifting Overton windows

100%. they think ‘antifa’ is an organised group instead of, as you said, literally just ‘anti fascist’ and those in charge are banking on that kind of language to bolder up fascism.

Well they'll want to change their name as they have been proscribed as a terrorist organisation. How does one become a member?

there are those that think antifa means anti first amendment

Agreed

Or...how about we organize and reclaim the term? We know ANTIFA isn't an actual org or structure, so let's make one. If the ACLU's sole mission is to protect civil liberties, than ANTIFA's sole mission is protect against fascism. Trump loves an invisible enemy. Let's take that advantage away.

No one is using Antifa as a real name.

Majority probably don’t know, including the members of the administration! I agree with you, though I’m really enjoying our humor about their false assessments of antifa & would be sorry to see that go. (🤪small potatoes I know)

I've been saying this forever, but I did so again just a week ago: bsky.app/profile/sanc...

Do non-fascists even use that term much? Seemed to me that the majority of users are, well, fascists. Anti-fascists seem more likely to identify *fascists* and presume anyone else is against such things. Such people seem to have just grabbed on to "antifa" because it was strange and scary sounding.

They still don’t really know what fascism is or why it’s bad. MAGA are morons.

I had that conversation with my father during the first term. He didn't understand until I broke it down for him.

Makes sense.

I was just thinking that myself. If you're against anti-fascist that means you're for fascism. Make them say that they are pro fascism out loud

Yeah, you really do have to actually spell it out for some of these folks. Plus, like you say, if they call anti-fascists the enemy, well...

I like AntiFash - Ant Eye Fash personally

It’s too many syllables, it will never catch on with the right.

I read a comment somewhere by a person who said: I’m sure Antifa isn’t a real organization because I never get fundraising requests from them.

I’ve been making this case for awhile now, and I think it should especially be the case in legacy media. The Associated Press needs to issue a style edict that “antifa” should always be spelled out as anti-fascist.

I've been saying this for ages now. It's clear the MAGA base doesn't know what Antifa actually stands for..

Most of those numpties do not understand what fascism is. I have had this discussion numerous times, some, too many, just do not get it, in the Netherlands, Germany, or France. In France, an antifa movement has recently been disbanded and disallowed. "I am jeune garde" even if I am not that young.

Agreed!

Agree 💯

In Austria and Germany, "anti-fa" would be associated with the anarchist so called black block at demonstrations. People dressed in black, wearing baclavas often, sometimes violent. All organisers of human rights demos fear them because they are unpredictable and stupid. That's the framing.

Good point. Yes, one should speak that out. By the way, we (Austria) as well as Germany have an "anti-fa" constitution.

The same is true of DEI. It's easy for politicians to say they're against "DEI". It's harder for them to defend why they're against diversity. Make them spell it out as often as possible.

Agree! Just like they are against Obamacare and want to end it but get their health insurance through the ACA. They’re too stupid to know they’re one in the same.

Very good point!

All of the base neither understand what it stands for nor what facism means.

antifa is not an organization but it is a political tendency with a history and a flag. fascists dislike it because of its history of physical confrontation of fascists in the streets all over Europe since WW2. people who march under the antifa flag are spoiling for a fight. if you're not, don't 🤷

We are the pro truth pro democracy party. We are the actual conservatives, because we are trying to conserve our democracy and our future...

To be fair, they don’t know what fascism or Nazi means either.

Yes

I agree with you. I felt the same with Obama care They didn’t want to call Affordable Care Act.

I've been waitin for this 😤

This is what I've started doing and encourage everyone to do.

Anti-fascist Anti-Nazist Anti-Racist Anti-Misogynist Anti-Discriminist Mad up some words to make it snappy on a t-shirt

Half of my younger employees didn't understand the 1945 picture of Eisenhower and his top officers (taken shortly after V-E Day which was posted here a couple days ago). We need to explain more what it was they did and why. I may have to change my sign for the 18th.

Seriously! Just basic branding. You could tell it was a bad label because Fox News seized on it immediately. It sounds foreign and sinister, so they just hammered it home right from the start.

“Some”? I think it’s it’s a lot and that’s a great idea.

Agreed!

bsky.app/profile/45xi...

Great idea

Uh guys their base doesnt know what the word fascism means

I agree. It would help to dispel the disinformation spread by the far right that antifa is an organization.

We could confuse them by switching to anti-authoritarian? I’m not sure they can read, comprehend, or pronounce words with that many syllables.

Maybe rename it to the “Pro-Democracy” movement.

It's a branding exercise which is really the only thing Trump has ever been good at doing.

Excellent point!!!

I think it’s giving their base way too much credit to assume most of them know what “fascist” means.

the chorus translated: “are you anti-antifa? are you fa?” youtu.be/Uz-htW9DTus?...

I like your idea. Get them to say they’re anti anti-fascism. In other words a confession they’re fascists.

Some of their base don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

People that are opposed to anti-fascists are pro-fascists.

Agreed #antifascist #releasetheepsteinfiles

I completely agree. I'm also of the autistic opinion that accuracy is more important than convenience. I say 'anti racist' and 'anti fascist' when describing people or movements because I know how easily I can be misunderstood.

Hard agree

When I was 16, I read 1984 and was completely confused that Orwell was a socialist. I had been indoctrinated to think socialism was evil growing up, like it was responsible for the Nazis. I imagine that confusion is what a lot of repubs might feel when confronted this way

Most of their base can't read let alone knowing what things stand for.

"Some" is being generous.

Agree. Only necessary because MAGAts are so stupid. Heck, they might go along with the long version, and still never notice the hypocrisy.

100%. Kinds of like the ACA and Obamacare

One hundred percent agree with this. Hopefully it spreads. My wife has been saying this for a few months now - kinda cool to see someone saying it online, in the wild.

Yup. This is right.

Does it matter? They are also calling "Democrats" the enemy. Should we change the name of our party?

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I think that caring what their base knows or doesn't know is irrelevant at this point. You're not going to dismantle the echo chamber in time to affect anything. No authoritarian regime has ever been removed at the ballot. Trump is now the commander in chief and primary funder of the military.

Or, shall we say “foreign”?

True I’m in that habit , though they also the same to either say you can’t call everyone you disagree with a fascist while doing Nazi shit. But making it harder for them always a goal

Good point.

From what I understand, the amorphous group antifa (anti-fascists) have shown up at peaceful protests. To place themselves between riot police & protesters, they see our militarized police as fascists & are there to fight fascism for our 1st amendment right to protest.

I mean, we kinda have? The only people really using "antifa" are the fascists, because they don't want to say "anti-fascists". As always, it's the media letting them get away with it.

a safer strategy. And joking about antifa seems to be working to decrease tension -- a photo I saw recently had a pair of knitting elderly ladies with t-shirts that read "Auntie Fa"

I will not cater to their ignorance in learning. But I hear ya.

Exactly. 👍

Can we invent a side dish called Ann-Tifa? Because the way they say it, it sounds like it comes with cheese

Maybe even anti-fash would be enough

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im pretty sure the whole antifa thing started with a proud boy going to europe and then applying "antifa" to BRRN anarchists in portland. like i don't think anyone was calling themselves that before then, although the movements are similar. but i could be wrong

We should also use the term democratic socialism and not entitlements for SSI/Medicare. Also, farmers are screaming they need bailouts to counter the tariffs, but what they really want is democratic socialism to save them. I have yet to meet a trumper who understands the terms socialism or fascism.

We should call them Profa — Pro Fascist.

sooo many people do not know Antifa = anti fascist

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

Exactly.

I bet MOST of the MAGA base doesn’t know what Antifa stands for!

Yes. Change the narrative. If one is anti-antifascist one is by default pro-fascist. Our proud heritage (in theory if not in execution) is anti-fascist. We cannot let latter-day fascist wannabes distort the truth besmirch political rivals with slander and lies.

Let's stop using the word authoritarianism and call it what it is: fascism.

Here’s the thing. Antifa isn’t an organization. It’s an ideology. Only ignorant, not woke white people are leaning into something they don’t understand or don’t want to understand. Like listening to an old ass German is going to make it any easier to understand. Didn’t know Trump is German huh??

I am SURE THE BASE, AND the president,does not understand that there is no ANTIFA ORGANIZATION! That anyone who does not want to see TRUMP getting more power than ANY PRESIDENT before him, is called ANTIFA “ WE ARE THE PEOPLE “ , and will practice our FREEDOM OF Speech on OCTOBET 18! Join us!