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Except Flight 93 was a collective act of heroism, not suicide

It’s the Killdozer Administration

Jesus actually preached that those who embrace his Spirit should live not knowing when their earthly end would be.

Damn on such a dark and depressing day this is very plausible. Republicans have morphed into a death cult.

I think we should also be asking how and why these people have come to this mindset

I can see this. I think of fascism as living out a collective rape fantasy where immature and insecure men feel like they can exercise pure power with no societal constraints. It’s the ad absurdem example of the trust-building of adolescent males by group norms-violation.

End times. They love it.

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Yeah, it’s why negotiating and trying to reach good faith is such an uphill struggle, and why a lot of the tools relied on to reach “compromise” or some sort of rationality are meeting unexpected (or expected) faliure. There is no 4D chess. No pragmatic cynicism, just blinkered nihilism.

Death cult based on self hatred.

I think often of @joolia.bsky.social's observation that this is the attempted murder-suicide of s multiracial democracy by a white supremacist minority, or something close to that

That's your slogan? "You're going to die anyway. Die with us"?

The right has spent 40 years trying to activate people’s repressed suicidal urges, and they have had disturbing success.

Rump’s regime is a Fascist Death Cult!

"If you don't love me, I'll burn everything down so you are left with nothing." These people are mental.

Even when the label of “fascism” was considered premature by many, it was widely recognizable that MAGA was a death cult, and COVID made that really undeniable

That's exactly why I don't view them as pro any group of people. 🤷‍♂️ A hundred way to go about saving people going to war getting the world to hate you only leads to mass death.

The "large truck driven into a crowd" ones?

As I saw it written once, "it's the war machine turned against productivity."

It’s precisely the abusive husband who shoots the wife, then the kids, and then himself. Rage, resentment, impotence, all finally let out and then eliminated. The right “loves” America like their battered wife and they will take it with them.

It's fundamentally Satanic. "I'm going to hell but I'm going to send all those I hate there first."

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Sitting with this. Disturbingly dialed-in.

There's nothing flimsier than white "solidarity." Fascists are cannibals.

The postwar zeitgeist demanded cultural transformation. The “ethic” that offered meaning to so many was one that amalgamated cultural romanticism with cultural nihilism. Mein Kampf is very clear that “struggle” and violence and death in itself *is* the ideology. Tell me that’s not 4ch*n and now X!

A death cult, yes.

I think of it as their ideology didn’t save them, and they can’t bear to be wrong. This whole government is so evil and fucked up.

This begs the question of what does a profoundly malignant narcissist do with the most powerful military on earth when he is staring down the barrel of his own impending mortality? He already believes the world revolves around him. Why should it be allowed to continue once he's gone?

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Indeed. These ppl are culturally unfit for democracy. They know it. And therefore they want to end it. No different than the secessionists.

Liebestod?

Yup! Musk is another projector in the cineplex.

That was fascinating - thanks for the link

what I never understood about this drive is why don't you just skip to the end and save everyone the collateral damage?

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Someone else on this site described it as such and it's stuck in my mind that the right fought for 40 years to get ahold of daddy's gun and without a second thought stuck it in their mouths

You guys gotta get around to Mishima on the pod.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

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this is the kind of movie bad guy i hate and can’t understand and i guess now i know why

In that case, it’s time for the abused family members to try their mightiest to grab the gun out of the attacker’s hand and turn it back onto him.

Annihilators, yes, but they don't want to slay themselves. This is more a purge mentality. The flaw in the “school shooter ideology” idea is the belief that these people want to go out in a blaze of glory. They don’t. They've a utopia in mind, which begins w/ a cleansing fire upon which to rebuild.

I mean we know all this yet we treat it like normal anything is going to stop the inevitable violence against innocents.

I'm listen to true crime content & underbelly are people that live vicariously through the killers. Caller "Sainthood" if you're aware of the terror-gram (insta) group. People trying to urge each other into spree shootings. Heard ICE was running recruitment ads in that space and it made total sense.

It's a death cult that's not too dissimilar from ISIS.

apropos youtu.be/c7WqVx9x89s?...

I've thought about this a lot for years but mostly just in terms of headlines that made the words "suicide cult" or "death impulse" spring into my head, this connects the dots very clearly in a way I could never quite identify. And yeah all the Trumpers I know fit the profile.

These post are gaining popularity because he's dying. It's evident now, and what sucks is that makes all this shit worse. Which is fucked up.

“I guess 2024 was a flight 93 election.” ✈️ 🗳️ 💥 Damn. What a visual 😢

The close relative to this is the christian rightists who pray for and fervently dream of the end of the world. Doing all they can to bring it about

🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ c’est la vie.

It's been my belief for over a decade. All of their stated values have the end state of masses of people dying all around them, and like with Covid they'll tell you that they'll happily go, too. From banning abortion and no gov healthcare to stand your ground to laissez faire, they worship death

And he has the nuclear codes.

Max Read

I was just thinking about Hitler's "Nero Directive" that decreed all the remaining transportation, communication, and industrial infrastructure should be blown up if Germany's leadership fell.

There's a range of destructive people: Some want to shatter a store front to loot what's inside, some will subdue others as slaves for their own financial benefit, and the worst are so psychologically damaged, they just want to destroy, because hurting others is the only thing that satisfies them.

“the catastrophic end of the Nazi Party does not deter people from worshipping Nazis.” Never saw it put this way. A compelling reason for another Nuremberg.

Nihilists all the way down.

‘This is school shooter ideology’ hits hard

i think Abbie Hoffman, Susan Sontag and a long list of others have said as much, often and with urgency. But that doesnt stop the Death Wish crowd one bit. They think it makes them based.

suicide by cop on a societal scale

Look no further than The Turner Diaries aka the white supremacist's Bible. It's one of the most popular books among fascists and the main character does a horrendous amount of brutality then dies in a glorious sacrifice. That is their goal. To have their meaningless life vindicated in death.

indeed - fascism is the logical end of letting a liberal democracy get hijacked by the people you've previously (and appropriately!) called "psychologically unequipped for freedom" freedom is tense, messy, and anxiety-provoking, so there will always be people who'd rather die than live free.

journalists, largely women and especially women of color, have been calling it a "death cult" for at least a decade

Hannah Arendt thought it was the case & that "suicidal loyalty" to the leader created a self-perpetuating feedback loop.

It does seem plausible when no other rational explanation exists.

Just the most destructive and violent version of nihilism ever.

Yes, the Soviets were really bad. But. This diary spans most of the war and over a year after. There is some kind of mental canceling going on with this. It could be he self-censored out of fear but it kept up after the war, when the chief Nazis were dead or imprisoned.What-about-ism to the maximum.

Anyone wanting to understand how this nihilistic logic unfolds should watch The Damned by Luchino Visconti (1969).

You die lest someone cheat an altruistic system and get a little more than their technical due.

The “end times” Revelations Evangelical crowd also fits the profile.

Jim Jones headed a cult that turned violence inward. But Charles Manson convinced his followers to murder. According to psychologists, these two drives are closely related. bsky.app/profile/nova...

The irony is that the Greeks and the Romans did not build to produce good-looking ruins, and if Speer had been able to speak with any of them, his head would likely be on a pike in about five minutes.

Reminded of what George Carlin once said on Charlie Rose: "People who hate the government are involved in a form of suicide because government is self-government, and if you hate the government, you hate yourself."

It’s also why they reject empathy.

it's why the official white house twitter account posted that video of the suicidal penguin without realizing it

Yes, it is. Nihilism, taken far enough always ends in death. The question for our society is - how far will the nihilists take us all? Will their "ideology" be defeated, or will they drag us all into oblivion?

Hmm... Trump said "I am your retribution." Now I understand that he means revenge for being born. I do empathize with today's YA population. In my day, I got a decent job after one visit to an employment agency and one interview; never even wrote a resume. Retired w/benefits after 34 years...

Agreed. I think @juliusgoat.bsky.social AR Moxon has been saying similar things for quite a while now.

maybe w the current 4chanoid thing. in general I think it's unwitting, they're just a level of idiotic beyond what we can comprehend. they need final, total victory, but are helpless to act in any way that doesnt guarantee a stalingrad type result, at some point the reality is unavoidable

The thing that brought me to a similar realization was watching Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters for the first time last year. Different era, different country, different cultural manifestation, but the same death drive/cult. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_M...

If one can't see the nihilism embedded straight from Nazism in today's Republican Party it's because that person can't psychologically handle what that means for the rest of us.

Plus a lot of them have an obsession with a religion that promises them eternal happiness after death.

A movement of people whose feelings of inferiority and exclusion from mainstream society led them to lean into that condition and burn down the world that made them feel bad. No interest in self-improvement because that requires accepting shame. Obliterate everything and avoid that at all costs.

Despair is stupidly easy. You have to look to Minneapolis to know true strength, and look to yourself to carry on their truth and their bravery.

It was suicidal for committed Nazis at the time. The book Education For Death, which was written by an American school administrator who got to tour Nazi schools, shows that death worship was pretty consistent and fundamental to the ideology. Only ambition that was encouraged was to die for Hitler.

This description of the American Nazi Party has always resonated with me. Denathor dousing himself in oil and climbing onto his pyre. Handing over the realm to the orcs. Oblivion.

Relatedly you might want to want to read The Black Hunger

Agreed except I don’t think they are able to do if A then B. So the B part, the suicide part, is not something they think will happen. These are people who fail the marshmallow test and won’t wait for a second marshmallow if one is in front of them now. They don’t think past the present moment.

Wow

What can be done?

I suspect that they hope they don’t have to invoke it until Trump has finished his second year. That way Vance might be able to get nearly 10 years as POTUS to facilitate Thiel’s agenda.

I have not seen this summarized any better than by the oxymoronic quote from one of fascist dictator Francisco Franco's very fascist generals, José Millán-Astray: "Long live Death!"

The only caveat here is that guys like Trump or Musk are definitely terrified of dying and thus not likely themselves suicidal

i *just* finished a project inspired by Jane Borden’s book Cults Like Us, a book about the lasting legacy of Puritan doomsday thinking. It’s a good lens to understand things with!

Absolutely! How many on the right ask "so how did the fascist project in Germany look in '45"?

Makes you do some thankin’: “How does this all end? Well, how do most cults end? Usually in some terrible tragedy.” youtu.be/ewvRS3NwIlQ?...

"Some men just want to see the world burn"

I think it is a willingness to destroy everything rather than question your own point of view. Fatal rigidity.

The idea of someone knowingly, willingly, working towards a world where someone like them doesn’t exist … it’s the ultimate in nihilism. Not just self-erasure, but annihilation for anyone who shares your marginalisation.

i was just thinking along some related lines actually bsky.app/profile/irgo...

Maybe we need to speed up the end point. Skip the middle step

If they would go ahead & off themselves fine their choice. Fascism is deeper, “everything/everyone shall burn”, usually expressed as desire to “burn it all down”.

That's what I came here to say. Glad I was not the only one.

Glorification of the "Lost Cause"

Which explains why this is a #DeathCultAdministration

Word, was about to post that. Orginal intro wasn't allowed on the full video so they made it a trailer but allowed to keep it up. 🤷‍♂️

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Oh - like those criminals who secretly just want you to catch them, so they do increasingly more blatant things until they get caught. That actualy makes a lot of sense. How do we test the hypothesis? And we can't find even a couple Republican Senators that want to break that cycle. Sad

The fact that they get to "tweet" it is making it feel like a fast forward button is being pushed. Everyone in a race to be the most miserable edge-lord.