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Calling English a 'rip-off degree' is one of the most blatant exhibitions of personal barbarism I've ever seen. You've demonstrated nothing but the poverty of your own mind.

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All learning, is worthwhile. Degrees offer not only specific subject knowledge and expertise but transferable skills. Learning at higher levels involves critical thinking, analysis and evidence based conclusions. It is these higher-order skills that right-wing media and politicians fear.

It was Badenoch! That explains everything. Somehow I don't think Badenoch believes one should go to university to expand one's mind. It is quite obvious that learning is a concept that has passed her by. People like her get 'qualifications'. Plebs get trained.

Really? Presumably they didn't study English, themselves. I'm aware that degrees differ from university to university. My course included compulsory Anglo Saxon, Middle English, Shakespeare; optional Metaphysical Poetry, the novel & linguistics. Also required subs in Latin & French. Some rip-off!

Brilliant. It taught me how to think and how to read properly rather than skim. It made me want to learn more. All of which is what university should teach you. Added to that I had a tremendous social life and made lifelong friends one of whom I married.

Studying English not only teaches the nuances of our language, but also the writing and the culture that makes us who we are. A so-called patriot should be all for it, but no.. This merely shows she prefers to have a nation of ignorance and ignorants, who believe her knees-jerk racist bollox

Had a blind date once. Guy belittled my history degree. The person who set us up asked me how it went. Yuck said I and told her why. She told me he was smitten with me and wanted to see me again. No way! Never again. Nope. Why would I spend time with someone lacking respect for me?

Hubby had MS-EE/CS +30. He always valued my education. It made me a good writer and a critical thinker. I was a tech writer when we met (I tried to unionize my association.) I later became an aty. Liberal arts degrees make good generalists.

Recall my uni study of drama and lit. criticism enabled my first city jobs (fin. sector) because, “degree proves you’ve been taught how to think.” A debatable accusation, but still…I hated all those jobs and wrote a novel about a bank clerk trying to die, whose guardian angel kept saving him. Still.

It’s quite an accusation: it damns not only students for being foolish about the courses they choose, but also universities for being fraudulent in the courses they deliver.

It's more elitism than barbarism. They believe that education is the preserve of the upper classes who can continue to study Classics and History of Art, and that the lower classes should only be offered training to take up their place in industry.

I see a Fahrenheit 451 scenario in play here. Where citizens don't read but just look at pictures. When I read all those books in 70's and 80's, it was Science Fiction, not a planning guide for rich folks to keep citizens ignorant while they take over everything & enslave us for no/low wages.

To get context on what you've posted I googled and was shocked to be led to "Gov.uk" site. I'm struggling to accept that "rip-off degree" was considered appropriate language for a Government minister to use at all! I have long wished my Degree was in English Lit and Language.

The constant attack on absolutely everything that Britain might be considered world-leading at (higher education and the arts spring immediately to mind) is part of the contemporary conservative brand. They are not patriots; they hate this country.

English a rip off degree - really 🤔 - did she follow that with a Nazi salute ..this is the woman who denies she is from Nigeria .. proud about getting people expelled .. she’s working class after doing a few shifts in McDonald’s .. like previous Tory leaders .. an ignorant arrogant vain mess 👎

I wish I could remember which company CEO said this, but he always checks CVs for those applicants with degrees in the humanities, as they are the most grounded, well-rounded and empathetic people to hire and work with.

My daughter is doing her GCSEs and thinking of choosing A Level subjects. I keep telling her that humanities is a great, broad route to a variety of careers. I’ll show her your post.

Cool. My son chose Psychology because it is the most transportable degree. Meaning that most careers will accept it as being relevant to nearly any job. He is actually in a career in leadership training and his company paid for his Masters, too.

The one thing you cannot replace with AI is creative human thinking. The intuitive leaps we make because of life experiences that inform our intellectual learnings.

Carolyn Dewar, McKinsey A few years ago, I found myself sitting across from Thomas M. Siebel,CEO of C3.ai. At one point he leaned in and said something I’ve never forgotten: “Technologists will build AI. But it will take philosophers, historians, and ethicists to decide how we use AI.

Steve Jobs used to say that Apple’s magic came from “the intersection of technology and the liberal arts” — the sweet spot where intuitive, joyful products are born. His partnership with Jony Ive made that philosophy real, turning raw technology into objects people didn’t just use, but loved.

I work in software development. Since the advent of generative AI, much of my work has changed from coding in programming languages to sculpting and manipulating software through expression in English. English has never been more important.

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Did you know Orwell got the idea for Big Brother from the BBC where he worked? Did you know Hitler got the idea for *Lebensraum* from his love of BBC propaganda clips of British occupation forces in British India murdering Pashtun villagers? Source: Nazis: A Warning From History episode 2.

Worse than useless. The consistent lesson that PPE educated politicians seem to adhere to is how to destroy society for personal benefit. Oxford's PPE program is an asshole factory and graduates should be banned from office. IMHO.

One of the foremost literary powerhouses in the world. Basically created the world’s principle language, with an unsurpassed richness in literature, which generates income and wealth. It also demands to be studied- it’s an amazing national resource. Yet Kemi Khazi calls it a ‘rip off’ degree. Idiot.

My response, as someone who studied English Lit: ‘…and in his brain, Which is as dry as the remainder biscuit After a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd With observation, the which he vents In mangled forms.’ - As You Like It, Act II, Scene 7

I have an English degree from Oxford, it’s been enormously helpful in my life and career. Aside from the benefit of education in general for critical thinking and communication, any degree shows an aptitude for self discipline and learning. A boon in all aspects of life.

I don’t have a degree, and I am still learning English, as it is my second language. I am very grateful to everyone who teaches me and to all those who write wonderful books. Every subject is importan. The ability to learn is what makes us different from animals.

The weird thing is that GCSE English is the gateway to all jobs. You have to have it and yet they don’t want any English teachers. I’ve never regretted taking English and Drama, especially when I see the general standard of written English in the population.

I was an English major and I worked my butt off. Not surprised at the “rip-off” comment, though, given the current national assault on education in general and on liberal arts education in particular.

I’m not saying there isn’t value in following your passion into something and studying it, but how many 18yr olds know what they’re passionate about? Hardly any. Study for the sake of study is magnificent if it’s free. It’s not. Add the threat of AI to jobs and you have to be extremely careful..

Good friend, thou speak’st true. To call English a “rip-off” is to spit upon the wellspring of our soul. Words are the coin of thought— Would they make us rich in purse yet beggars in spirit? He who scorns language knoweth not what makes mankind divine. 😉

It's odd that medicine costs £9535 / year and English costs £9535 / year and psychology costs £9535 / year. You might think English would be a bit cheaper given that the learning materials are basically either a pen and paper, or the digital equivalent, plus a map showing the nearest library.

I get that in Scotland the fees are much much lower; that's a subsidy, and is fine. But in England, people studying English are being ripped off by subsidising other learning.

English isn't 'sold' properly to students, IMO. Alongside the understanding and appreciation of literature, poetry, song etc, it teaches you (if you're paying attention) how language is used to move, persuade and even manipulate others - and how to spot when people are trying to do it to you.

I'm sure she is - which is why she doesn't want anyone else finding out. And if she scraps the courses, or even persuades people they're not worth it, then those critical thinking lessons are never attended. Their dream would be a return to mass illiteracy, so you only know what they tell you.

But in the end it's just a dog whistle, she should be grilled on what she considers as worthwhile degrees. Systems Engineering evidently didn't stick with her as she deviated into looking after people's wealth.

Her chocolate bars may have had 'Britain' spelt correctly if the Tories had more English students - although, to be fair, Michael Gove was clearly ripped off by his English degree. Either he missed reading any classics like Hardy, Dickens, Orwell, or Steinbeck...or he didn't understand the messages.

Education is the enemy of authoritarianism and idiots generally. The Tories and reform are particularly dense but attacks on the value of higher education are becoming common across politics - the university’s not for you gang are everywhere.

Its dumbing down. It's easier to lie to or change history etc to less educated people. Terrestrial TV has been dumbed down! Thought free for the most part. Little real drama and foreign drama, news is limited etc

You're forgetting....this was from a woman who thought living on the streets was a lifestyle choice, and working in McDonalds during college holidays made her working class. SHE'S DELUSIONAL!

As a chemistry graduate, I find Badenoch's statement utterly moronic. The country needs people with a wide range of skills and educational backgrounds. If not it would be a poorer and less productive place. And how many of her senior colleagues are humanities grads? Do they agree with her?

Is this part of the Trump playbook of eroding the value of education? Presumably because their increasingly far right ideology can be more easily sold to the undereducated?

I teach advanced TESOL .. showed my C1/C2 students this claim of 'rip-off degree' .. everyone single one of them shocked and appalled. Beyond crass.

They know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Or something like that which my old used to say. She’d have quickly labelled them, quite accurately, a as “bunch of posh thick cunts.” Bless her heart.

Reminds me of Alan Bennett’s point that reading fiction encourages empathy because it’s the only medium that shows you the inside of someone else’s head (even if it’s mostly a version of the author).

There is a decline in people taking English A level and studying it at uni since Gove made English GCSE a tickbox nightmare. Creative industry bodies tend towards CreaTech like gaming, immersive AI rather than writing and storytelling, the most powerful art that has survived for thousands of years….