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Nice trick, claim it was a spelling error, and the original tweet doesn't hit the discovery feed too hard.

hey Paul, what are your opinions on trans people?

For one heartstopping moment, I thought the e2e encrypted messager had gone terf and I was like ahhhhhhhhhh

You fucking assholes love that guy because you hate us it’s not complicated and you’re not slick

all noise, no signal.

It wouldn't be a problem if he got banned

@jessesegal.bsky.social 🤭

Oh, like you give a shit either wa-*taken out by the Bluesky civility sniper*

"Look, they're gonna get mad that I said the word, 'waffles,'" very much comes off as if you think the OTHER THINGS people were upset about are just as silly and insignificant. Even if you disagree w/user's conclusions, you can't argue their concerns were silly and totally ungrounded.

pete you should just ban the guy and be done with it

yeah that's sure been my understanding

Yeah he did, it's just that he gets different rules to the rest of us. We all know this, deny it if you want.

If you were actively responsive to your user base he'd be gone and this would not be an issue.

you are a liar.

You're a clueless piece of shit

barefaced lie, he violated the tos and yall fucking edited the tos after the fact. Fuck off frazee you're just as transphobic as jay is if you're defending that shitheel singal

You don't have TOS, at least, not any that matter. When trans people get banned six times in a week for being slightly unruly and people posting fundraisers get banned literally for just having a Palestinian IP address, your defense for keeping Singal and other dangerous bigots falls a little flat.

and the TOS never changes right? So there won't be an update in the coming days to get rid of things you don't like right? Like goddamn FICTION?

Thought he was different too, not just looking for growth at all costs and going out of his way to allow and facilitate the experience for hatemongers. The responses could have been "PRed" a bit too, saying that they won't do anything yet, but that they have a grip on the situation or something?

sounds like an issue with an ineffective TOS. if someone this bad doesn’t have a violation, how good are your rules?

You suck ass bud.

I don't think you're a good person

ah, the ToS which simply exist and nobody at Bluesky had any control over

You allow a pos to stay on your platform and think people should just let you forget that? Thats not how this works if you want it to stop ban him

regardless of anyones substance, the bluesky's PR communication is absolute dogshit. That should be arguably more important than the technology of a site when its social media based. Also your company has the power to change the ToS, "well he technically didn't break any rules." is weak ass retort.

Then maybe the problem is with your ToS.

then you don't know your own ToS. or, instead of rules-lawyering yourself out of terminating a user who perpetually acts in bad faith toward a vulnerable demographic... just ban him. just get rid of him because the vibe was off. it's yall's fuckin site dude, you can kick him off your property

That you don’t see that the Singal issue and what she responded to as related means you don’t really understand what’s going.

regrettably, the rules which we wrote for ourselves did not include a requirement that we grow spines. therefore it was impossible for us to do so

It's awful that Bluesky's hands are tied with regard to Bluesky's terms of service, Paul. Bluesky cannot change Bluesky's ToS in any way, nor change Bluesky policy regarding Bluesky's ToS. Until whoever is responsible for Bluesky's terms of service does something, we are all truly stuck here.

i guess jay should go have a good fucking cry about how tedious this is. tediousness is definitely the most egregious part of this, THATS FOR SURE

Yeah. Singal being a known factor for abuse should have been an easy win for Bsky and yet here we are.

apparently obsessively harassing trans people isn't against terms of service. good to know!

So we just lying and gaslighting with our whole chests now, why you guys change your TOS to defend Charlie Kirk?

Thats a fuckin joke and you know it

We should call getting ratio'd on bsky a "Frazee". "That guy got Frazee'd because he kept begging to suck Jesse Singal's dick!"

The ToS that was changed to give a carve out specifically for him? Fuck off, ban the bigot already

So your ToS doesn't protect minorities from harassment then. If you're just going to blame the ToS for clear failures then you need to remember YOU WROTE THE ToS and YOU ENFORCE IT This tech bro navel gazing is not respectable, you sound like a 16 year old caught on the PC with his door closed

People are angry about answers like that because everyone who's been involved in successful online forum moderation knows that strict adherence to the letter invites the "I'm not touching you" game. Booting the guy is the right thing.

Why would you lie about this, it seems like such a waste of your time

Paul you’re not giving a lot of people confidence that y’all know what you’re doing. Maybe your ToS suck if he didn’t violate it?

He has devoted his entire life to inciting hate towards trans people.

Like sure, he has yet to knock anything off the table/break any rules. He is, however, clearly intent on banefully violating the spirit of the rules wherever possible, and is only held in check by constant scrutiny. Perhaps not the cat to die on the hill of "he should be allowed on the table" for.

He broke a bunch of rules, got reported, and they then changed the TOS so that what he was doing wasn't technically violating it.

Lol

3) you’ve gone to bat more for this guy but at the same time flag, ban, ppl for writing “rest in piss” Honestly you waste time and money showing up defending halfhearted measures and irresponsible behavior rather than doing actual good.

man, you motherfuckers are dumb as hell.

Can you explain how asking Jay why she's friends with bigots does violate the rules in a way that is so indescribable that you don't even bother to tell the user? Since you're explaining what does and doesn't violate the rules and all.

thats just a lie. go away

You guys suspended Gretchen Felker Martin and then changed the TOS afterwards to justify it. You also repeatedly ban Palestinian accounts just for existing. Clearly the TOS binds but does not protect, and there are those it protects but does not bind.

YOU PEOPLE WROTE THE TOS. If a hatemonger like Singal doesn't violate your TOS, your TOS SUCKS.

Then fucking ban bigots, you stupid bastard. If you find it tedious that people keep asking why you won't fucking ban bigots who make their lives worse, you should fucking ban the bigots.

Sure, maybe your grievance is legitimate, but have you considered that its tedious? It just goes to show how these ridiculous people prioritize things like their safety over the comfort of the bluesky team smh

Question, wasn't he posting on Twitter with "look at these weirdos at Blusky lmao" at a time the ToS said that was counted as harassment? You just got happy a big account came here, decided to ignore what he came here for and then change the ToS to say he didn't "violate any rules"

Many turn away, but I believe in those who still care. Your help can turn despair into hope. The link is the path—please walk it with us.

This is just denial of reality in order to justify letting a dangerous transphobe and stalker stay on the site to make trans people feel unsafe here.

Bull-fucking-shit. You losers changed the ToS after he violated them (as others have pointed out). Madness you're throwing away so much goodwill for shithead that hates your userbase.

you can say that he didn't but he did and we all know that otherwise thousands of us would not have signed that petition I'm sure jay didn't read

Take your right arm down, your führer has been dead for almost a century.

Same here (minus the Discords) and 'technically hasn't broken specific rules, nevermind the endless stirring and trouble' is truly pitiful, cowardly moderating.

Counterpoint, if you don't want people to endlessly yell at you off topic, maybe address the issues at all, and don't ignore the problems people want to communicate to you, since it seems the only reply to this issue I've been able to see is "WAFFLES"

It isn't off-topic though.

all of this

can't help but think that you probably shouldn't have to deal with this, that the head of trust & safety's actions have created a massive shitshow of discontent, and that while you all obvs need good trust & safety / moderation fixing this prolly requires replacing current trust & safety leadership

Then it sounds like you all need to update the TOS. bsky.app/profile/dwob...

Yeah Paul that's called having a job. Not only was it not off topic, it's also your job to respond to the user base regardless of how tedious you find it. Don't like it? Go try and find work where you don't have someone to answer to. The fact is you have banned people for less. Grow up. Do your job.

Everyone replying to this has execrised a degree of patience and grace beyond what you deserve trying to get the concept of widespread harm of a marginalized class through your pigshit idiot skull, so I'm going to be blunt and tell you to fuck off

Get rid of the hateful morons.

So Bsky is changing the TOS to ban artists but not the ban hateful dickwaffles? Ok, great, let me just…

There is no consistency and from a glance its like yall will literally change the tos for 1 guy not to be banned But ban accounts just posting "Rest in Piss" with no warning There is no consistency but it seems -At a glance- Yall have chosen a side

if he was trans they'd have reflexively banned him without checking the ToS even once

This is so disingenuous. “It’s ’WAFFLES to bring this up”. Ok, sure. “He didn’t violate the ToS”. Oh, ok, so what we need to do is bring the issue to the attention of the person who wrote and approves the ToS? But then we bring it up and the response we get is waffles. Ok cool cool cool.

If only someone could change the ToS to protect people from bigoted threats of violence.

Who wrote the tos? And who just updated it to limit lgbtq and adult content but didn’t add anything to protect trans people from targeted hate speech and invitations to violence?

Just lyin' now, huh? Pathetic.

I'm glad that people are calling you out for this disingenuous slop

Except that's not true and everyone who was around knows it, so you're just another liar.

How the fuck is asking about a toxic user in a discussion about ways to improve the community off topic

Singal arrived and instantly started using his Twitter account to coordinate harassment of his critics here. He was calling out targets for Kiwifarms! He publicly announced he had a backchannel to T&S and was trying to get bsky users' real identities! None of this was a ToS violation?

Holy ratio batman!

Of course, that's not against the TOS. It's just not. But it could be. Bluesky gets to decide what its TOS is. And Singal could be told the same things that we have been told over and over again for the past week by every single dev - just set up your own site.

Well maybe, and i know this is a bold idea, try listening to the people crying for you to get off of your techbro ass and fix something? Like just a suggestion, but it turns out listening to the people who pay your bills is good for your business. Unless youre getting your money someplace else...

Then your ToS are garbage.

You know what’s really tedious? People like you pretending rules exist when you make them up to help transphobes and silence critics, and no other reason. There is one rule to people like you, only one: cruel people get to say evil shit and good people must shut up about it.

Do feel free to be consistent on this matter.

And there's the doubling down. Paul, that's misinformation and you know it. What happened was that jesse singal engaged in a behavior that did infact break the TOS at the time. It wasn't until after he was reported that the bluesky devs changed the TOS such that jesse's actions would be allowable.

y'all literally changed the TOS *after* he violated it this is a matter of public record, Paul

Imagine Jay and Paul saying: Terms of Service? I hardly knew her!

People would probably respect your opinion more about the singal issue if you didn’t gaslight them like this

Without even touching you changing the ToS, and focusing just on the constant off topic responses... Ignore it. That's still not great, but you can't be expected to respond to every reply. You do see how the CEO actively mocking the safety concerns of your trans users is bad, right?

You're such a pathetic, lying creature. I would call you a worm but even worms have more of a spine than you do. Here's something that won't violate TOS either; I hope you end up like lowtax did.

Yeah, take Blacksky as an example Northsky's goal is similar and for LGBTQIA+ people, but building stuff takes time and effort, it won't happen magically quickly as people would want and need to

and even if he didn't, *the only people who can update the TOS are you, bluesky!* stop acting like you don't have any fucking agency here! for Christ's sake you JUST posted "hey we can just make things" like it's a fucking novel thing; yeah! you can! you can also make a mod shitcan the abuser too!

Please listen to Ryan.

Reader notes: Singal was using kiwi farms to harass trans people, ToS at the time said something about not allowing the coordination of harassment. Fuckin @aaron.bsky.team chose not to enforce it because you wanted to let trans people feel they’re not welcome here after nov 24. We remember this.

what is the correct response to willful dereliction of duty?

Your TOS seemed pretty clear about harassment but sure...