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Such as by suggesting perhaps the moderation team, or moderation AI (??) not ban swaths of trans people while evil people are allowed to exist on your app unimpeded

But that's exactly what she is you royal dip shit

Could also be you're not cut out for this

She is childish. Only a child would equate these things and expect to be taken seriously. The fact you think you have the moral high ground because one frustrated poster slipped up and used a slur is comedically stupid.

Fucking state of you

I do tend to agree with folks that the response was “childish,” because it did rub me the wrong way and I would’ve preferred a more respectful response than whatever that was, but I don’t think I’d call her a harsh name for it. Just respectfully disagree that it was okay behavior.

Criticism sucks, I know. But when in a position of public facing leadership, you are going to receive it. A thick skin is necessary. Those who feel like their daily existence is being actively threatened may not speak with the same niceties of those who are more comfortable.

This is not an endorsement of calling anyone a bitch, but you're really placing these two things on equal footing? Are you sure you guys are ready for the responsibility of running a social media website? Do you never struggle with self doubt about this, question your actions, etc?

you're so right Paul, you're the real childish bitch here

Well maybe if you guys wanna sell a protocol instead of running a platform you goober ass dorks could’ve hired someone who doesn’t suck at running social media platforms to run your display showroom for some fucking code

Cool, you know what gives me the ick? The New York Post being allowed to post clear, obvious stochastic terrorism to this platform without so much as a slap on the wrist. Throwing trans users under the bus 24/7. If you like & approve of transphobia, just say it with your whole chest.

“your hypocrisy gives me the ick” “yeeh well you pointing out my hypocrisy gives me the ick, so i guess that’s where we’re at”

Ok, maybe do your job tho instead of crying, then people won't call yall childish

There's a solution to that: Jay Groyper could stop acting like a childish bitch.

Ya know what gives me the ick @pfrazee.com? The fact you continue to allow Jesse Singal, someone who encourages harassment of trans users for (checks notes) existing, and who thinks pedophiles should have more access to the internet, to spread all that creepiness across BlueSky. Trust and safety?

Honey yall are all way too close to this. You’ve brought your personal selves to an internet forum. You need some space and some professional pr people, and maybe some more clearly defined rules.

How about me calling you a childish bitch? Just trying to establish where the line is

It's cool how much you guys get to talk about how you hate trans people.

Guess what you're doing right now.

Can you see how Jay's response could be seen as mocking marginalized people? That doesn't make what the person you are responding to said correct or appropriate,but it sure as hell doesn't make Jay right either.

The bitch part is bad but the criticism is valid. Are you ok with letting bigots distill their prejudice here? It's the nazi bar story. If transphobes feel safe here they will turn this shit into their transphobe bar. And terfs are very cozy with nazis, fascists and the likes.

Buddy you really are a fucking terrible fit to work in social media if this is the way you handle things. All of you desperately need to hand your jobs over to someone who isn't shit.

Has Jay tried not being one?

You're a childish bitch too, if that soothes your tummy at all.

It's telling that your ick is a pretty mild, juvenile derogative grade school children use regularly, and not the countless instances of harassment, threats and dehumanization trans people face on your site constantly with no intervention from the mods at all

Just pretend that Jay is trans and the person calling Jay that was an outspoken nazi and you’ll be more comfortable with it.

She replied to a serious question with bullshit. She gave a hundred thousand people the ick. Who the fuck cares about your ick of someone’s reaction to something repulsive. Grow the fuck up.

Sounds like a problem a childish bitch would have tbh

Incredibly unprofessional way to represent yourself and the company given you retroactively changed the TOS after the aforementioned user violated it by sending death threats.

Little baby

I'm sorry he came after you like that

I prefer it this way, tbh, getting lied to a comms team isn't any better then get lied to by the owner directly. let them show us who they are.

Oh no someone made a boo boo in your little heart :( oh no so you're gonna cry cry to your boss momma🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

What gives me the ick is that yall want to police what art we can produce on this site, when moderation tools exist explicitly, supposedly, to allow people to see what they want to see and what they dont want to see.

Bro what are you a 62 year old boomer? Like its a minor insult to a dumb post. Get over yourself.

Just corncobbing in real time, huh?

you're a childish genocide supporting cunt nugget Paul that's where we're at.

Someone offended white woman and you're all up in your feelings about it but opening your doors and catering to a known stochastic terrorist is a-ok by your busted moral compass Can you just imagine what it's like being trans online Relocating every few years Fuck you

Ok so harassing trans people is a-ok but don't you dare make fun of the mods

amazing how people are no longer afraid to be this dumb in public these days

Oh no not the ick, fucking millennial ass post

Pablo seems better

Nice trick, claim it was a spelling error, and the original tweet doesn't hit the discovery feed too hard.

hey Paul, what are your opinions on trans people?

For one heartstopping moment, I thought the e2e encrypted messager had gone terf and I was like ahhhhhhhhhh

You fucking assholes love that guy because you hate us it’s not complicated and you’re not slick

He really could have a slightly less typo-inducing last name…

Oh, like you give a shit either wa-*taken out by the Bluesky civility sniper*

I think the bottom line, though, is even if you think some of the users are over-reacting, when you're the CEO *making a post that in the very best reading* comes off as if you are mocking them for being upset is the absolute worst way to handle it. Saying nothing at all would have been better.

pete you should just ban the guy and be done with it

He did break toss so Bluesky changed toss to be ok with offline harassment campaigns

Yeah he did, it's just that he gets different rules to the rest of us. We all know this, deny it if you want.

If you were actively responsive to your user base he'd be gone and this would not be an issue.

you are a liar.

You're a clueless piece of shit

barefaced lie, he violated the tos and yall fucking edited the tos after the fact. Fuck off frazee you're just as transphobic as jay is if you're defending that shitheel singal

You don't have TOS, at least, not any that matter. When trans people get banned six times in a week for being slightly unruly and people posting fundraisers get banned literally for just having a Palestinian IP address, your defense for keeping Singal and other dangerous bigots falls a little flat.

and the TOS never changes right? So there won't be an update in the coming days to get rid of things you don't like right? Like goddamn FICTION?

Thought he was different too, not just looking for growth at all costs and going out of his way to allow and facilitate the experience for hatemongers. The responses could have been "PRed" a bit too, saying that they won't do anything yet, but that they have a grip on the situation or something?

sounds like an issue with an ineffective TOS. if someone this bad doesn’t have a violation, how good are your rules?

You suck ass bud.

I don't think you're a good person

ah, the ToS which simply exist and nobody at Bluesky had any control over

You allow a pos to stay on your platform and think people should just let you forget that? Thats not how this works if you want it to stop ban him

regardless of anyones substance, the bluesky's PR communication is absolute dogshit. That should be arguably more important than the technology of a site when its social media based. Also your company has the power to change the ToS, "well he technically didn't break any rules." is weak ass retort.

Then maybe the problem is with your ToS.

then you don't know your own ToS. or, instead of rules-lawyering yourself out of terminating a user who perpetually acts in bad faith toward a vulnerable demographic... just ban him. just get rid of him because the vibe was off. it's yall's fuckin site dude, you can kick him off your property

That you don’t see that the Singal issue and what she responded to as related means you don’t really understand what’s going.

regrettably, the rules which we wrote for ourselves did not include a requirement that we grow spines. therefore it was impossible for us to do so

It's awful that Bluesky's hands are tied with regard to Bluesky's terms of service, Paul. Bluesky cannot change Bluesky's ToS in any way, nor change Bluesky policy regarding Bluesky's ToS. Until whoever is responsible for Bluesky's terms of service does something, we are all truly stuck here.

i guess jay should go have a good fucking cry about how tedious this is. tediousness is definitely the most egregious part of this, THATS FOR SURE

jesse also literally weaponized bluesky to doxx someone a few months back. they're literally just avoiding blame because they don't want to admit they hate trans people. it's disgusting.

apparently obsessively harassing trans people isn't against terms of service. good to know!

So we just lying and gaslighting with our whole chests now, why you guys change your TOS to defend Charlie Kirk?

Thats a fuckin joke and you know it

We should call getting ratio'd on bsky a "Frazee". "That guy got Frazee'd because he kept begging to suck Jesse Singal's dick!"

The ToS that was changed to give a carve out specifically for him? Fuck off, ban the bigot already

So your ToS doesn't protect minorities from harassment then. If you're just going to blame the ToS for clear failures then you need to remember YOU WROTE THE ToS and YOU ENFORCE IT This tech bro navel gazing is not respectable, you sound like a 16 year old caught on the PC with his door closed

People are angry about answers like that because everyone who's been involved in successful online forum moderation knows that strict adherence to the letter invites the "I'm not touching you" game. Booting the guy is the right thing.

Why would you lie about this, it seems like such a waste of your time

Paul you’re not giving a lot of people confidence that y’all know what you’re doing. Maybe your ToS suck if he didn’t violate it?

He has devoted his entire life to inciting hate towards trans people.

Like sure, he has yet to knock anything off the table/break any rules. He is, however, clearly intent on banefully violating the spirit of the rules wherever possible, and is only held in check by constant scrutiny. Perhaps not the cat to die on the hill of "he should be allowed on the table" for.

Also, during the whole "we decided he's not breaking TOS despite black ink violations of it" you banned a user who was using PUBLIC API data, which we all have the ability and right to access, because it reveled some embarrassing... predilections of Bsky employees. The TOS allowed that!

Lol

3) you’ve gone to bat more for this guy but at the same time flag, ban, ppl for writing “rest in piss” Honestly you waste time and money showing up defending halfhearted measures and irresponsible behavior rather than doing actual good.

man, you motherfuckers are dumb as hell.

Can you explain how asking Jay why she's friends with bigots does violate the rules in a way that is so indescribable that you don't even bother to tell the user? Since you're explaining what does and doesn't violate the rules and all.

thats just a lie. go away

You guys suspended Gretchen Felker Martin and then changed the TOS afterwards to justify it. You also repeatedly ban Palestinian accounts just for existing. Clearly the TOS binds but does not protect, and there are those it protects but does not bind.

YOU PEOPLE WROTE THE TOS. If a hatemonger like Singal doesn't violate your TOS, your TOS SUCKS.

Then fucking ban bigots, you stupid bastard. If you find it tedious that people keep asking why you won't fucking ban bigots who make their lives worse, you should fucking ban the bigots.

Sure, maybe your grievance is legitimate, but have you considered that its tedious? It just goes to show how these ridiculous people prioritize things like their safety over the comfort of the bluesky team smh

Question, wasn't he posting on Twitter with "look at these weirdos at Blusky lmao" at a time the ToS said that was counted as harassment? You just got happy a big account came here, decided to ignore what he came here for and then change the ToS to say he didn't "violate any rules"

Oh would you look at that.

This is just denial of reality in order to justify letting a dangerous transphobe and stalker stay on the site to make trans people feel unsafe here.

Bull-fucking-shit. You losers changed the ToS after he violated them (as others have pointed out). Madness you're throwing away so much goodwill for shithead that hates your userbase.

you can say that he didn't but he did and we all know that otherwise thousands of us would not have signed that petition I'm sure jay didn't read

Take your right arm down, your führer has been dead for almost a century.

Same here (minus the Discords) and 'technically hasn't broken specific rules, nevermind the endless stirring and trouble' is truly pitiful, cowardly moderating.

Counterpoint, if you don't want people to endlessly yell at you off topic, maybe address the issues at all, and don't ignore the problems people want to communicate to you, since it seems the only reply to this issue I've been able to see is "WAFFLES"

It isn't off-topic though.

all of this

can't help but think that you probably shouldn't have to deal with this, that the head of trust & safety's actions have created a massive shitshow of discontent, and that while you all obvs need good trust & safety / moderation fixing this prolly requires replacing current trust & safety leadership

Then it sounds like you all need to update the TOS. bsky.app/profile/dwob...

Yeah Paul that's called having a job. Not only was it not off topic, it's also your job to respond to the user base regardless of how tedious you find it. Don't like it? Go try and find work where you don't have someone to answer to. The fact is you have banned people for less. Grow up. Do your job.