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Cheeky bastards!

Is this like the Fox News equivalent of claiming that its audience knows better than to trust their "news"? Because I'm happy to bring my gaming dollars elsewhere

Exactly. I don't like conflating this with criticism of the model itself. Some people are fine renting, subscribing, whatever. But it's not clear! It's intentionally not clear.

Indeed! I wouldn't buy a bottle of mints that randomly contains between 1 and 200 mints, is priced for 200, and always has a full bottle in ads - why would I do that for a game! Buying access for a specific amount of time? Each customer gets to pick whether that's worth it

Or they could sell such licenses at a price point "reasonable consumers" would be willing to pay. There's no way Sony should be able to get away with offering less than ownership while charging more than ownership without losing customers, if gamers are truly reasonable consumers.

Exactly. They unilaterally revoked access to my spouse's account after the account email got hacked and then refused to reset access or refund the recently renewed PS plus membership. In one moment they denied us access to a decade's (or more?) worth of purchases and any way to fix it. Disgusting.

And they will collude with every other gaming platform, they will all do it, and we all get to pay more for less ... with no guarantee of service. Can't for the life of me work out why we're in a cost of living crisis.

Surely it's "not plausible" that sony thinks consumers are that stupid

Sony is lying

I finally feel validated for not trusting digital purchases.

This all started with DVDs in that you weren't "buying" the media, you were buying a "license" to play it. But most jurisdictions allow you to make reasonable copies for personal use so you'd think that undercuts Sony's argument?

Sony be like: “You think when you BUY something with MONEY you OWN it? That’s insane!” I’d like to see one of these fucktards buy a yacht or a Lamborghini and be told they don’t actually own it.

It’s “reasonable” to believe that purchasing a game digitally would be like purchasing it physically, something that consumers have been doing with playstation’s game library since 1994

If not ownership, then why ownership priced?

To rent "Offered by the owner for someone else to use in exchange for money" Sounds familiar? dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/e...

yeah, same. sony have been making clear they don’t want or need my custom so i’ve been scaling back. but phasing out disc drives, and then discs, and just a month ago rescinding hundreds of digital films that people bought over the course of decades, and now this? i’m out for good, i reckon

Cheers to Sony.

bring back Right of First Sale and cast these demons into the darkest pit.

Can't steal what you don't own.

“Sony best known for continually shooting tbemselves in the foot, has paused to reload the gun and continue firing.”

not how it works in a legal sense unfortunately the legal precedent for this varies by country of course but especially in the states, Sony is fully in the right, and it's at best murky in most other places. Stop Killing Games has been fighting this battle for years now, it's a rough one.

So why I have I got a loft full of Sony PlayStation DVD games that I thought belong to my sons? Does this mean Sony owe me a small fortune in fees for storing games they say belong to them?

Put this to my adult children. Their response: “Reasonable gamers want pseudo game ownership to eat shit and d!e.” IOW, they are aware of Sony’s position and strongly disagree with that concept.

I suppose I am the only reasonable consumer seeing as how I read the TOS. You don't want reasonable electronics consumers sony, I avoid giving money to corporations whenever possible.

What the hell is going on with this company this generation?! It's like they're speedrunning a platinum trophy to being the worst publisher/console platform ever.

I think for Sony, 'rent' and 'buy' are the same word. ...though they should probably fact check highkey

I paid money for the console - I own that hardware. I paid money for the game, whose files reside on said console - I own the game. It is that simple.

Guess who's not buying any more.

You do not own your games on steam, you own a revokable subscription to play those games. The ownership apocalypse already happened in PC in the early 00s. This is one of the many reasons why piracy is vital in preserving games, and why I strive to purchase DRM-free versions whenever possible.

I’ve got spore on disc since it came out, no bugger is taking it from me!

Several games I have are no longer allowed for sale because of licensing issues. I'm still able to download and play them with no issues because Valve isn't stupid enough to kill its golden goose

... Steam force through T&C changes on a basis of "accept, or lose all your games".

I could play the same game I played before or do something else I'm not some medieval peasant who got nothing else other than skip rocks at a lake

steam also has this stupid “license, not ownership“ crap in their fine print despite other parts of their website literally saying “you own this game”. steam is just as evil don’t give them any points

The Terms of Service Dance

Sony either has developed senile dementia or the directive board is so stupid that they think they're evil geniuses.

"Last week Sony emailed players who had PlayStation accounts, reminding them that when they signed up the Terms of Service they agreed that “when you purchase or download a digital product from the PlayStation Store, you buy a personal licence to use digital products for private use”." 🤔😏😳 WHY??

dude why are companies trying to argue with their consumers now? wtf, is this what happens when you replace your pr department with ai? like i promise you guys that whining at consumers about how they're stupid and dumb for not buying your shit will not convince them to buy your shit lmao

So you admit that downloading and playing that game without paying for it isn't stealing.

I don't wanna be a reasonable consumer then. In fact I wanna be very unreasonable 🐈‍⬛ I am about to obtain ownership of anything I want the old true and tested way of our ancestors: the High Seas Way ☠️⛵️

You know, there was this really cool guy from Iceland. He ventured many lands, played many roles and made many friends. And the one thing he said above all was: ''Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate'' I think he was rather wise for that.

So piracy isn't stealing if buying isn't owning.

Oh they have NO idea what's going down. Sure wish they kept the last guy in charge who actually knew what he was doing. They used to have one.

Ok I'm an unreasonable consumer

Is this a joke? Motherfuckers

Class action lawsuit

It is absolutely plausible, because when consumers think about "ownership" of a media item, it is not the technical kind of "ownership" (control over IP) that they are referring to. They are playing with words. I suppose that's to be expected.

Some lawyers have 'interesting' definitions of the words "reasonable" and "plausible". Capitalists are becoming desperate to generate new or continuing profits. Ownership makes them less profits than the economic feudalism of licensing or subscriptions. There is ZERO reason to not OWN a game.

That would be 'rent' then, not buy.

George knew…

Someone tell Sega it's their time for a comeback lol

Lmfao…. They’re treating digital games like the stock market, where smaller shareholders can lose it all and the the board keeps it all. This is why I stopped buying digital games

These fucking guys...no reasonable executive should think since we buy the game we think we own the IP itself.. no we just wanna be own the interactive software you happened to take our money for..

Lawyers out there arguing the definition of “buy” is now “rent”and “cupboard” is “kitty cat”.

This also means there's nothing to "steal".

More like reasonable company know they don't do this bullshit It's not plausible to suggest that what they're doing is right and that they will make money

Apparently words like “buy” and “lifetime” just suggestions that “reasonable” players know they are lying about.

WE don’t own anything anymore. Everything in life is by subscription, at a price.

This will be the party line for digital media. All of it, from every company. Bypassing the cause celebre of subscription models, if we don't own it at $20-$50, *&* it's not rented... *WHAT IS IT?* In the end, I don't care. Vinyl and Physical Media bypasses this (minus remasters cutting scenes).

くそNY

I think the part that’s craziest to me them just plain admitting it and being like yeah fuck you, you don’t own anything This has been the case forever but normally they at least try to lie to you lol

Which is why DRM and any movie that you can't download and save should be treated as selling unfit merchandise.

I agree with that for sure. Digital definitely should cost less.

Sony is acting as if Xbox didn't shoot themselves in the foot with the disastrous xbone launch, costing them a lot during that generation, they are doing the same caliber of bullshit, well, I am very comfortable not getting the ps6, I'm just gonna take care of my Ps5, and focus on my pc.

This is exactly why people, including myself, have gotten back into purchasing physical media in a serious way (Games, DVD's, CD's, etc.). Not only do I not want to pay a subscription service for the rest of my life, I want to know for sure I own what I purchase. Sony's rug pull was sadly expected!

fuck outta here with that malarkey//

What a back-handed insult to the customers.

They're coming for your cars now too, with a lot of regular features starting to require subscription fees, including deactivating your EV battery if you don't pay. It won't be long before basic household appliances are effected by this cancer on society.

wish I hadn’t said “costs” twice but I suppose I could take a page from sony’s book and just pretend I said something different and everybody knows that, obviously, what are you stupid or something

This shit is making me a very unreasonable consumer. Maybe they should figure out that market because it's the one that's growing

The judge should award Sony a Merriam-Webster dictionary.

And heck, some software does say "buy license" upfront, but they're not being sneaky about it

So then the "reasonable consumers" who opt to buy physical copies ought to be provided for, right?

Corporate greed is truly at an all-time high, huh.

You buy it. You own it. End of.

This reasonable gamer will not be getting a PS6

great PR over at Sony lol

That's...what is happening in the story

Jokes on them, we're reasonable customers, a difference with an important distinction. Shame they've forgotten the beneficial relationship we used to have.. or the consequences of failing to deliver a product we want to buy. *Cough* 1983 *cough*

I will fully admit that I enjoy digital games for their sheer convenience, and own numerous these days, but didn't fault anybody for preferring physical even before stuff like this started to turn south.

I’m yet to buy a ps5, but I already know it’ll be the last console I ever do when I finally get round to it the concept of a home arcade is something from the y2k era, it’s just outdated to restrict yourself so much when the internet exists and basically everyone has multiple PCs at home

So, back to heavily modding your console and then stealing boot loaders and content from usenet again is it? Wouldn't be the first time that the gaming industry mag dumped into their feet.

Ha ha ha, that's so much horse shit Sony.

Fuck PlayStation just sold my ps4 and ps5

Ill atleast own it if I pirate it and keep it on my hard drive that can suck me

This is like when lawyers argued that no logical person would think Vitamin Water is a healthy beverage

Then maybe Sony shouldn’t be charging us “ownership” prices.

👆🏽👆🏽

I know it's a legal argument and not a debate, but why does "No reasonable customer" sound like such a direct ripoff of "No true Scotsman." Either many of your customers are "not reasonable" or you yourself did a poor job of explaining to your customers what you find reasonable.

This world sucks

It is not at all plausible that I would gain ownership of a PS6 one day 😛

Oh yes, information, you know, that thing so fundemental to the universe it can't really be truly destroyed, not even by black holes, but sure, objectively real to the point of being an indistructible component of the universe, but not real enough apparently to own when clicking buy

They're kinda just explaining the issue and not addressing any of it.

He was one of the best

Sorry what? Have they spoken to an average consumer?

that's why they pay for empty cases to sell you along with the license. it's just a thank you souvenir for being a gullible rube.

I am sorry but WTF IS BUYING IF NOT OWNING ???

So Sony is endorsing the seven seas approach then?

then why do they charge full price for the digital games?