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So you want unregulated manufacture and management of nuclear reactors?

I'm learning Data Analytics and want to be a Data Engineer in some industry (probably not tech at this point), and I already have a obscene hatred for AI and the amount of money being thrown at it. I would prefer not using something that would jeopardize people's jobs and livelihoods.

I think there will be some high profile performances of shock but we all know it’s out there and that the worst people in this industry actively court the hate. I just wish the criticism was about the products and problems as they actually exist.

I want people to bear the responsibility for the decisions people make

Even right wingers are noticing that tech has become rapidly less usable in the past 2 years. They're even getting pissed at Meta AI slop because the bait pages are based in India or w/e - and they've been repeatedly scammed by dropshippers with their AI panda ads. They'll want blood.

I’ve spent the last 30 years doing networking and web development and everything in between. This is exactly where I am now. I read Dune as a teenager and didn’t understand the Butlerian Jihad. With all that technology why not have computers do everything. But I get it now.

If the tech actually works, a tax on hyperscaler revenues to redistribute to the structurally displaced has to be a core plank of the D platform (or better yet, both parties)

I'd describe myself as tech positive. AI has huge opportunities. Just not the terrible, energy guzzling, thieving and largely pointless products they have rushed to market well before they're ready by letting anyone use it for ill...

I want a leninist leading the buthlerian Jihad

Tabling for a moment that this is nonsense (within the last 45 minutes you yourself pointed out the shortcomings with chatbot usage for communication), if they can already do all that with LLMs, then it's unclear why corporate ownership holds back precisely the functionality they already display.

Microsoft Word has had letter draft templates built in since 1983.

come on man. im begging you to think of a better use case. its supposed to be a revolutionary technology for all classes. plz give a more concrete example than this.

Just gasped and almost did the sign of the cross as a reflex over "LLMs let broke people decode legal jargon." Suicidally reckless behavior. I'd tell someone to drive drunk, or use homeopathy instead of chemotherapy, before I'd tell them to use an LLM for legal research.

How many “lower class people” were involved when you formed this opinion, doctor dan?

Corporations would still own them no matter what

And how the data centers will have value after the cards burn out 🤔

you are either a liar or a dupe.

hey bud, I think you should reconsider your life philosophy. read more, yknow, whatever it takes. bc your kickstarter is dumb as fuck, and thats just according to the basic principles of capitalism. its a poorly conceived idea with very little volume or profit scaling. why should I listen to you?

"lower class people"

Lol are you braindead?

And when the bubble hits… Sadly, the tech bros will move onto something else annoying.

I almost feel bad for true believers like him. The crash is going to wreck him on so many levels.

From your skeet to God's ears!

They complain about left wing violence but I remember a time we used to blow up buildings. They forgot and they kept building.

Retirement plan: living off grid

Shapiro is a big champion of data centers. My electric bill has doubled this year and he wants to build more. I hate that man

They know. They just do not care.

The current AI cultists make me want for a Butlerian Crusade

We need to continue to push for open source, local, inexpensive AI.

AI can get fucked.

"Tech" is far too nebulous for me But I'm absolutely against genAI and its increasing amounts of power consumption in the service of making life worse for everyone and I'm really not accepting of any sort of compromise there

Just saw this today, and yeah, they’re not going to see it coming even though they really should. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/data-center-water-pollution-amazon-oregon-1235466613/

if smarmy mike johnson et al if the pre and his family if the tech oligarchs all think we are over reacting to AI then why did they all start buying property and building doomsday homes in new zealand years ago?

Which is why big tech has spent so many years investing heavily in right wing politicians and in making the US political system completely unresponsive to left wing opinion.

Current model of AI integration it goes against people's interest...they are rushing it and it will only benefit incredibly small number of people and I mean very tiny number of people

An LLM does not possess ANY internal model of the world, let alone an accurate or consistent one. It predicts responses from inputs using statistical inference. It is fundamentally, intrinsically incapable of distinguishing truth from falsehood, because it doesn't know what truth IS.

Yes, you will. The problem of hallucinations is inherent and unsolvable - and, in fact, a feature of LLMs. But that does not mean you can't get deterministic answers. If you ask for a "double puff" a specifically trained crochet model is not going to go ChatGPT on you and talk about birds.

I was at some AI sales conference at Adobe head offices in London. Not by choice I assure you. Specifically asked their main AI guy why LLMs hallucinate and if there’s work being done to solve the problem. Said it wasn’t his department but one of his people would reach out. That was eight months ago

I've seen AI bros make unhinged claims that Human minds are also just statistical predictions of what is the most satisfying outcome. I mean, I can see that it might be the case if someone is an AI-bro and lets ChatGPT do all the thinking for them.

Is this an honest reply or kneejerk? Are you saying you cannot make a small LLM that gives you correct answers? And you think they only output bullet points? I have news A small model can be offline and edge - no need for 10K hours of video. You can get a step-by-step generated with licensed images

Oh, on a side note: Your electric bill isn't *only* data centers. Even though the US and EPA are destroying our solar plans as a country, battery and solar cost is through the floor. As people implement this stuff for themselves your electric bill will go up in response to supply and demand. Sorry.

Did you ask an LLM what you meant before criticising me?

The point is if you don't like my favourite toy you're not left wing.

As somebody who *likes* tech I find this disappointing but deserved. I feel like there's a nearby parallel universe where the California tech boom created a paradise of Liberalism 2.0 instead of a hellscape of Fascism 2.0.... Which I know would be disappointing to those who want Communism 2.0.

I really don’t get people defending a concept that’s basically a data miner and something for stock markets to use to prop up dying markets. Any practical use for it died as soon as investors got their hands on it

the 90s had internet, phones, and digital

I guess the black hole image thingy that was done recently would be impossible on non SSDs probably on older chips.

sooner the better imo

Yeah…also I vote for water in nature, not in data centers and against the Trump’s “American bitcoin” 😒

Yep. It's telling that the Digital Industry, in general, goes way out of it's way making it impossible to opt out of "AI." "We do this all for you, now like it or else!"

It's a self-licking ice cream cone keeping a hobbled imperial economy alive. Tendency of the rate of profit to fall

THIS hopefully.🚫🤖

Upside, great source of blocks for every 15th or so reply where someone is desperately trying to plug AI

the issue is tech bros, it is insane how much visibility they have, literally every single person I know in tech fields are insanely left wing, the tech bros are just so insanely loud

Now that you mention it I foresee a break-off group who go super RW anti-tech like the RW hippie MAHA movement we see today

I still have to go back to do a full read because I'm a skimmer but these were my favorite stand-out lines: "No vampire was ever as thirsty." The transgender computer geeks are, by volume, some of the most creative, interesting, and prolific contributors we’ve ever had." Thank you for this 🩶

The problem is AI has sucked the air out of the entire tech industry I go to tech blogs and the news is just more AI crap All of the big tech companies gave up innovating to chase their General Purpose Knowledge Worker Replacement that doesn't work

This shit is turning me into an old crank. I feel like there has been no feasible innovation in 15 years. Went shopping for a washing machine recently. Almost half of new ones are smart devices or have "ai". Motherfucker, we figured out washing machines like 50 years ago.

Oh no no, it's worse than that. ChatGPT's datacentre does up to 4.032 quadrillion calculations a second to come up with a result that pretends it can't do calculations. It is incredibly stupid.

True they can't do math, but they can write, test, execute code that does math for an arbitrary use case. Not saying the hype is justified or the way AI is used isn't destructive but that criticism is missing why.

see this is the problem though. there are actually useful technologies being made. but instead of treating it like experimental early tech that needs to be refined, we are injecting trillions of dollars into it and just hoping for the best. tech bros, as always, ruin potentially interesting tech.

Reminds me of when the (failing) Boring Co. tried to reinvent trains, but worse

Yep. futurism.com/more-people-...

I mean, there is potential to improve dictation software off the top of my head. A lot of these improvements would end up being, like, back end quality of life shit.

At some point people are going to get mad and start protesting if not sabotaging these AI data centers... The one for Elon's thing in tenn or where ever is supposedly poisoning the air and water of the nearby towns.

Destroy communities AND ecosystems. Let's be very clear: AI--as it's being run and developed right now is accelerating ecological collapse.

They don't care

you're absolutely right

It’s crazy how the rhetoric shifted from “climate change isn’t real” to “are people still against climate change or are they enlightened?”

yeup. and lots of good is going to be taken out in the crossfire. and it's ENTIRELY on the people who blindly push it now. when people start to feel any AI is repulsive because of how it's pushed, you can't suddenly be surprised when people want to get rid of all AI.

If AI were anything more than a desperate reach for the "next big thing" I might not hate it so much. But it's just rich people trying to con other rich people out of their money at everyone's expense.

Buttlerian Jihad but more Socialist.

Raze Silicon Valley to the ground. No survivors.

When I watch the videos of community meetings about AI powerplants, most of the people are folksy older people in vests and hoodies. I think both sides are coming in hot against this stuff.

Famously in the book Deep Thought failed, as well. Even if the answer is actually “42” then surely the mega-computer could have EXPLAINED it

Honestly way more likely than a lot of people here are willing to admit I'd wager - and not just due to hallucinations (more likely of the batch though). Doesn't require conceding an anti-AI stance: If people had to rank them - which of the two are smarter? The billionaires or the AI?

LLMs are prone to hallucinations so it’s quite possible that they would say that socialism maximizes happiness and minimizes suffering.

None of the LLM people are interested in actual *answers* The tools are trained to tell them what they want to hear and that's exactly what they like

Right? Even the types of AI aren’t built the same, a data-crunching medical AI is less destructive and significantly more useable than every LLM AI and Generative AI, but all types of ML, AI, and other tech will fully fall with the shitty LLM’s and such

all I'm getting out of those data centers is shitposts. to hell with them! stuff like Embark Studio's text to speach or Bethesda Game Studios' terrain generation don't require such power; and that is all actual creatives need.

The rhetorical flourish of "the cloud" being conceptualized as immaterial and unlocalized really has done a number on tech people. I think most simply don't engage with AI beyond being curious about tinkering with it

I'm literally running for congress to pass a "technology bill of rights" that will ban most AI and establish extremely strict rules around it for the future. The voters in my district support the idea greatly as our power bills in michigan have skyrocketed due to data centers.

Agree robots are neat

I don't think that anti tech *as a whole* will become a major part of it, anti corporate tech/pro tech reduction (not sure how to word it better) sure will

It's a big part of Andy Ellis' gubernatorial campaign.

They openly aligned with the right against us, they can be shocked as much as they want when they reap the whirlwind they've sown

AI Is In Fact Stealing Jobs.

I don’t gate the technology. I hate the oligarchs shoving it down our throat and taking our energy. The technology is cool and interesting, but just back off and let it develop at its own pace without a bunch of assholes, trying to make billions off of it.

I grew up in tech, I made my living in it and I’m totally OK with what you’re saying. The power thing is just not cool. Nothing about what the technology does is worth sucking up that much power.

get ready for more "chemicals destroyed this community's water supply, and also there's a data center nearby" articles tho

what? why not?

what’s funnier to me are the maximalists who convince themselves to stay on twitter or hook up with bigots because they think “techlash” actually has any effect on policy