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Vance is the character in movie scenes sipping a cup of tea with a raised pinky finger. Speaking as if he knows more than he really does.

Its a cult in the facade of Christianity Lets be real Funny oligarchs meeting up in August to discuss " how to build a cult "

The term, "tonal," has no functioning application to any argument offered here. There is no discussion of musical harmony, nor inflections in vocal cadence. Vance is a midwit imitating his imbecile cult leader.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance..."

Take this hillbilly Vance on his place -so far away from the White House and from the government!!!

Is he trying to win the votes of the exact people he spent his whole political career hating?

Translation: Vance: Our base needs to think we are the smartest guys in the room, and working for their benefit. We’re lying, but in a reassuring way.

Neither JD Vance nor Donald Trump are members of the working class.

JD Vance is aggressively phoney.

True. But the Trump supporters' rhetoric is ALSO a way to "appeal to the masses" in order to win over the working class. It's also a strategy of the elite. And it's as old as ancient Greece, under the term "demagoguery."

He's not saying anything, he's just mixing up random words and trying to sound "smart". It's the kind of mind-numbing incoherent dreck you'd hear from a marketing department in a meeting you are forced to attend where you wonder afterward how they managed to get a job.

JD may be right. The rubes elected Trump and this silly hillbilly douche. It'd be nice if more of them were "working class", and not "sit at home swallowing FOX News, stewing in hate while they give the GOP a free pass on corruption" class.

Being an insufferable prick is working class, got it

Of course, if they can't tone police people of color then the big scary black men might get loud and Vance might piss and shit himself while crying in his piss and shit.

The human egg man is right

Thought that was Seb Gorka. 🤔

I was told there’d be no fact checking

Oh yeah, that explanation is surely gonna resonate with voters. 🙄

This is not how people talk when they believe what they’re saying.

WTF is “aggressive uncharity”? Is he afraid to say “aggressive malice”. Coward speak.

"Punctuality Is White Supremacy" but for white ethnonationalists.

The doughy pant-load interviewing JV Dance is a black hole of deepity, self-serving “cheap grace”, and self-congratulatory back patting for getting very simple moral questions wrong.

wow, what an asshole jdv is.

I live paycheck to paycheck. I only know how to communicate in slurs.

The “MAGA elites” are the most crude in their communication, imo. Starting with their leader.

If working class ways of communicating aren't in a Christian tone, they aren't in a Christian tone and need to change. As Pres, VP or any other elected position, YOU SET THE EFFING TONE. You are by position ELITE, AND YOU ARE A MODEL TO THE REST OF THE SOCIETY YOU LEAD. Seriously, this man is trash.

WTF does that nonsense mean?

Oh geezzzz BJ COUCH. 🙄 It's called TREAT THOSE AS YOU WOULD TREAT YOURSELF. And even with that statement BJ would find an argument to say that is WOKE, just to pacify the elites 🤔

How about not ever Christian or any other religion or anyone else with a moral compass, Douthat.

"The working class [whom I love] are all savage fuckwits and it's elitist to notice how utterly dumb and truly fucking awful the working class [did I say how much I love those dumbasses?] are."

WTF

JD just gave the left a gift. We can now dismiss right wing Christian beliefs as elite preferences.

Yes, it’s really elitist for them to suggest the government not be a bunch of rude assholes, like suggesting that working class people all talk like hateful pieces of shit with no filter.

JD Vance is a sock puppet with someone’s hand up his ass, giving him his talking points.

Just don’t be an asshole. That’s not an elitist statement

So he just waltzes past the other 2 very clear contradictions with Christianity to only talk about tonal issues. Shocking for this spineless ass. Truly shocking.

He’s trying to sound clever.

To be honest, I do not want the administration to have a consistently Christian tone. I want them to have a secular tone!

Douthat isn't critiquing an accent or a lack of polish — he's talking about cruelty, dishonesty, or contempt for others, which aren't exactly working class virtues either. Vance is deflecting a substantive challenge by making it about class identity.

I just wish we could get both of these chuds on a dingy and push it into a lava flow

And the implication here is that JD Vance is well-versed in "working class ways of communication?" So claiming that legal and invited Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets is a way a working class individual described these people?

Funny how I could destroy Vance's counter-argument with one sentence that immediately came to mind and yet Douthat let's him win the point. Am I really that much smarter than Douthat?

I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Russ Douthat awakens to find himself in Hell.

America: You don't need to kill Americans to enforce border policy. JD: That rhetoric causes violence. Trump: Everyone who isn't white is a dog. JD: You really can't police language, it's not fair to whites. It doesn't invite violence.

Yay, here come the hedge fund guy and the 2nd gen real estate tycoon to richierichsplain working class stuffs to us. I assume there'll be some trustafarian from the DSA along soon to offer a rebuttal.

Check out the Beatitudes fellas. Makes for good reading. And living.

The “Christian” label is just a shield for political purposes. The ideological tells align with Aryanism — the fixation on reproduction, the obsession with “breeding projects,” and the delusional idea of reproducing with what they imagine is the “root stock” of a mythical white race.

To their own detriment, to boot as majority are poor or low income. Truly amazing to watch.

Doesn't this guy have a day job?

When it happens, the GOP will fight for power amongst themselves. No one will support this guy. We all know it. He's the only one who thinks he's relevant, which makes him even less appealing, if that's possible.

It’s like watching a thumb wrestle a big toe.

Because this administration is totally made up of working class blokes and that's how they speechify, stupid elites.

"Tonal arguments" "Policing working class ways of communication" "I'm a man of the people" ~JD Vance* *a Yale law school grad 🙄

Yes, Jesus famously belonged to the elites

World: We are all offended when Trump calls people ‘Horseface’ (Stormy), refers to ‘Shithole countries’ (e.g., African nations), or says he’s ’Glad’ someone is dead (e.g., Mueller). Vance: I’ve had enough of your Elite tonal preferences.

Only it isn’t just tone. It’s actions.

Sofa fucker says what?

She’s saying it’s ok to be uncharitable if you’re working class?

TF you know about the working class bro? Your last boss was Peter Fucking Thiel.

In the words of Talking Heads, Vance, "You talk a lot, but you're not saying anything."

What's Trump's response to this www.facebook.com/share/r/1Hdm...

If George Costanza and Sebastian Gorka had a love child…

He has his own brand of word salad.

Ah yes. “Fuck immigrants” is just working class for “love your neighbor.”

Also....what an insult to 'working class'....as if they can only talk like redneck hillbilly thugs.

Did they invent that word 'tonal'?? Those quasi Christians should check the bible on that. Says a lot to say about speech. 😅 James 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. www.openbible.info/topics/our_s...

"Tone of aggressive uncharity" is cool wording but rather generous. "Arrogant belligerence" seems more accurate.

“A vision of rebuilding the working class that’s connected to Christianity?” In what world? “A tone of aggressive uncharity to people who aren’t on board with the admin’s policies?” Yes! I’d say so…they shoot those ppl in the head when they get the chance.” Does this guy always speak nonsense?

Wtaf kind of elitist bs answer is that even??? Is that supposed to be working class communication?

Apparently JD's method of communication is making up stories about immigrants

Sounds like he's triggered.

The regime is full of hypocrites who use religious language to control their base full stop No one gives a flying floosey what eyeliner has to say because all he does is lie. We barely know his real name.

“Quiet, piggy.”

Isn't it cute that Ross still thinks that Christianity is a fundamentally charitable religion.

Admittedly, package trips to Phnom Penh don't track ideologically, but I still think it might do them some good.

JD Vance would say anything, lie about everything just to keep the power.

Great stuff here: (a) The Nazis have gone full post-structuralist, apparently? (b) Christians don't have to love their neighbor or do any of that woke stuff if they're working class. (c) Donald Trump is working class somehow.

it's elitist of me to use this language

Just as Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount

if there were two people who i took less intellectually seriously in the same room, recording a podcast for the nyt (of all things), it would be stunning.

yes sir that is clearly correct?

That JD Vance of all people is going to take a position on tone policing is WILD, and then the fact that it’s an interview with Douthat just adds a little extra frisson of hypocrisy

Say what?!

Classic gaslighting by JD

His law school training shines through that sentence. 🤮

"Aggressive uncharity" is code for - evil elites who despise the poor.

That sounds pretty dang woke.

I’ve seen casting couch start like this.

Can those two just make out already?

Fucking bullshit from Ross Asshat. The administration’s policies are cruel, violent, and disregard the law, and Constitutional limits on government power.

Since when is Trump working class?!

As if JD or Trump ever tell jokes. They are never joking.

I could show you many instances of when Ted Bundy wasn't killing young women.

Vance is the most disingenuous person in the administration. That's a very high bar to reach.

That's a piss poor softball of a question, framed so Vance can keep fighting the stupid culture wars. A real interviewer would challenge Vance on the admin's horrible policies in relation to their supposed "Christian values"

From a working class communication tone: go fuck yourself you evil little broke dick fuck

This administration - and all the pundits and influencers who launder it - have this view that working class ppl are naturally vulgar, cruel, impulsive, and impolite. It’s like their only understanding of working class ppl is through Dickensian stereotypes.

No-one is more aggressively uncharitable than the elites that comprise the Trump administration

He couches his sociopathy in abtruse circumlocution.

Ah yes, Christ famously taught that taking care of your neighbors was only for the rich

"I'm playing pedantic word games to distract from the fact that your observation was accurate."

Days the guy who blames Democrats "rhetoric" for everything.

"Are the working class members of the administration in the room with us right now?"

I've no time for Vance's attempt at flip sophistry here. This administration is without charity, without compassion, without empathy, and the idea that he handwaves that away as "elitism" only makes it worse because it's clear he's conscious of it - it's not unthinking. He *knows* it's wrong.

Vance has learned a lot from some on the academic left.

What is that answer supposed to mean?

That is the most aggressively vapid sentence I've ever read. I don't discount the threat of his *intent* for one second...but as far as actually communicating a concept goes, that is an all-timer.

I highly doubt that the Anti-Christ in Chief will be very happy if he finds out that his lackey said that Trump isn't perfect.

His wife is pregnant too. He’s going to be another child’s Dad. Hopefully the nannies will raise them.

The administration has implemented concentration camps for migrants. People are dying in those camps and are being denied basic healthcare and food.

"Working class ways of communication"

Dude! I just looked up “ oily-tongued” in the dictionary and your picture was there!

Just two down to earth non elites taking like normal people.

Wow, he’s such a dick

JD VANCE: Tonal arguments blah blah blah not elite in the least.