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Are there protections against corporations publicly scrubbing Bluesky's platform? It's great if you don't sell or give that data, but what if OpenAI just decides to take content anyways?

Here’s a tech tip to help identify AI images… bsky.app/profile/tech...

Llega una hora que Bluesky se clava, por qué?

We’re having ongoing conversations with engineers & lawyers and we hope to have more updates to share on this shortly!

You could also actively make the images non usable by AI by using filters like Nightshade/Glaze. nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html

@bluesky Please hold the line against “outside developers” with a platform-wide prohibition against use, abuse, or sale of our content / data to anybody. Why are you even thinking about setting up an opt in/out consent structure? Just say no to “AI” bros. Thank you!

Would be cool if you charged AI companies a fee and rewarded us for letting them use our content for AI training datasets

tl;dr everything you post on here becomes public domain as far as bluesky is concerned bsky.app/profile/pdj....

What a joke this app is! Truly pathetic! Almost as pathetic as the meltdowns all the leftys are still having!

If it's made a setting, please make it off by default. AI training should be something people opt into, not have to opt out of.

It should default to non consent, and then allow users to opt in if they decide to. Not the other way around.

If you do implement this, then it needs to be OFF by default.

But what about explicitly blocking known ai scraper bots? If they're disguising their user agent and also ignoring the legal notice, that seems pretty damning.

Thank you. Glad to be here

Please do more than just ask. They don’t listen or care. Proactively ban accts, IPs, etc.

I hope this is the end of the line 😅

Do your best, that is enough 😊

That's nice

How about embedding metadata about users AI scraping consent into all objects in the public firehose? This would at least give users legal recourse to challenge unlawful scraping.

Scrapers and AI companies have no ethics They won’t respect anything but profits Can you modify the AI protocol to ban access from them or add on some proprietary code to prevent it?

Yes, please.

I said it before and I'll say it again: bsky.app/profile/anam...

This has got to be an opt-in addition not an opt-out

Just let us upload videos larger than 1 minute 😉

No one should use Content from Bluesky unless the creator is paid. Period. Not for AI training. No stealing images for T-shirts. Nothing.

I don’t know why but this doesn’t sound good 🤔

Seems the only way to absolutely prevent it is putting it all behind auth/captcha… Thus making it a closed platform. What a conundrum.

And if an organization is found to violate the consent agreement, they get banned and permanently unable to access this website, yes?

If so, then users must have the option to control what they consent to, to what extent and it needs to be transparent. Not saying no, just saying be open because if not it will fail, this needs to be done with GREAT care

This seems to be where more can be done. A simple pre-filter on the firehose API removing posts from individuals who opt-out seems like a pretty simple solution.

So looks like I'll be deleting another app. Y'all rich YT folks need to stop asap with this dumb shyt

PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS!!!!

Adding my two from this thread: bsky.app/profile/sara...

Can people post .PNGs?

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What’s the point? Opting out will make very little impact on the model.

Where is the setting, so I can toggle it to "I don't consent"?

Is it possible to add a default to our profile that opts out of training, for the inevitable class action against bad actors?

Whatever... yawn

Please set the default to not giving consent

Respect these settings? You have a bright future in comedy.

Why not just, don't do it altogether? Everywhere we go, our information is being harvested by default. Fucking hell.

Fine with me!

🤔 ... fascinating. As we recall, "robots.txt" was _never_ "honored" by those that would abuse it. The emperor has no clothes and the dragon has no teeth/fire. Caveat emptor.

This is a test, this is only a test, you are about to enter another dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. Next stop, the twilight zone. Boogety Boogety

This is what the internet should have been all along, people got greedy, and very very very rich.

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Please don’t turn into the acid bath that is X/Twitter?

The AT protocol is open to everybody, so malicious actors will still use the data. But if the default user setting is to allow the use of the data it might work since most users will likely use the default setting, allowing developers consent for accessing most of the data.

Could it be done more quickly by using existing Bluesky concepts such as lists and blocks? - i’ve blocked @external-scraping-allowed.bsky.app -> I don’t want my posts being used - I’ve added @specific-scraper-bot.scrapingsite.com to my “robots.allowed” list ➡️ I’ve given consent to that bot

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Hmmm

Why not just no AI training at all on BlueSky content Simple I saved you a bunch of time

For the love of god make it opt-in and not opt-out.

That's the thing about decentralization. The platfo- er I mean protocol(s) is not entirely controlled by one entity. If Bsky was able to enforce consent, then this is centralized, as it would have to ban other instances from connecting and storing content.

If you can't enforce the consent of your own users, then what, exactly, is the point in the consent in the first place? Leaving something up to outside actors (good or bad) is like telling a child to not have any of the fresh cookies left on the table but you won't punish them if they eat them all.

Yah.. usually robot.txt files only really work when the website that has them is big enough to be an actual threat to be sued from if the scraper was not compliant with them…

If you allow any consent at all, AI scrapers will scrape everyone regardless of their choice. That has been their entire playbook this whole time. You're dealing with criminals.

fuck AI

Sorta like robots.txt in web servers.

I hope the AI is better than the one Instagram is using. By chance I wrote 2 comments on 2 posts that were identical… “so adorable”… the AI accused me of doing SPAM. Also, gave me warnings when I praised people I follow, accusing me of looking for “likes”.

I would want a consent button but would it really make any difference? Like I tell my kids if you don't want it to be public knowledge or property then don't post it on the internet or social media.

No offense but AI is a major reason why a huge portion of X are leaving for this platform. A positive here would be to downplay AI in all forms until its attainable in a more controlled and noninvasive format. Not tell you how to run this site, just know amongst content creators AI is a dirty word.

Some granularity would be desirable, eg so that I can specify that I only consent to my posts being used for training if they are for either non commercial use or open source models.

please exclude me, as i have nothing intelligent to say, and machines won't learn a thing from my incoherent ramblings.

Posting on blue sky is in the public domain. I do not see any problem with other platforms disseminating the information. But there does need to be a license agreement that third party cannot sell or alter the information. Somewhat like an open source agreement.

Highly doubt they’ll respect anything. The entire AI revolution has been achieved by stealing 99% of stuff online while calling it “learning.”

@bsky.app or maybe @pfrazee.com/someone on the dev team, please allow us to block starter lists. (Fuckface) @hf.co is scraping our data (literally over a million posts) and they conveniently created a starter pack with their employees. I would like to block every fucking one of them easily.

That sounds fine as long as the default consent setting is “no”!

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I don't know how feasible it is to implement, but there is a thing called glazing that's basically a filter for images that makes it impossible to train AI on without diminishing the quality of the picture. Would be cool if you could auto-glaze images when posting them.

Try to blow up your AI

This is extremely problematic. If a user publishes content that they don't have the right to, that content can end up being used as training data. Where abuse can happen, it will. This isn't a matter for fence-sitting. Either commit wholeheartedly, or don't, and users can react accordingly.

this is a really cool idea! looking forward to see a setting in my profile that I can enable or disable

Why would an AI obey a robots.txt file when the power behind AI is basically lawless?

I understand there’s only so much the team can do here, but def be bold/aggressive imo

Does that mean you’ll stop companies like Hugging Face from hosting the data from Firehose? We need something in place to make sure data is used responsibly by everyone, not just by Bluesky please.

What's the update on robots.txt? I think it should be a priority, no?

But any such consent should be opt-in, not opt-out. Couldn't you make it explicit in your TOS that it's against the TOS of bluesky to do mass scraping for generative AI training? Wouldn't stop everyone, would create legal questions to stop a lot of people though.

Goodness, take some action fixing the awful look threads have with all the stacked vertical lines! 🤷

I.DO.NOT.CONCENT. IT WAS TAKEN ANYWAYS. You have to stand against evil. This is evil

I don't think that data from this short messaging apps will be enough to train an intelligent AI.

User agents can be changed at a whim. Good idea if you like playing whack a mole.

I feel like you should know that ain't what robots.txt is for or does

Will you be getting a proper Blue Check system?

@bsky.app One way to optionally block 3rd party scrapers would be to make it to where you can set your account to only be viewable by logged in users. Toyhouse is practically an artist's safezone/heaven, thanks to having a feature like that.

Hey Bluesky- love the app but can you make an iPad version so it fits my entire screen? Thx!

And have it OFF by default 🙏

I see people demanding Bluesky take care of all of this for them as if any platform has the total solution. Artists should be taking defense of their work into their own hands, regardless of the platform. Glaze or other anti AI services etc. Artists need to use multiple forms of protection.

I have an 'invalid handle' again... can't seem to fix it. What should I do?

What safeguards would align with their open web principles?

safe guards don't exist on the public internet, if i can read it i can take it what does work though is legal action, hence robots.txt - its not just about good faith, it's about "bitch i said NO"

Don’t use an open website if that is your concern.

Everyone is feeling positive, there's conversation galore, but almost no attacks, which is great. We are all SO TIRED of having to sacrifice peace of mind for community. I love a great argument, but abuse is unwelcome and still festering over on "the Bird".

It's kind of important to specify that they're not actually /allowed/ to do this in any capacity, just to avoid any impression that they're doing something not illegal. Copyright still applies.

Oh. That's what I thought, yeah.

Trying to figure out why you'd schedule these ten minutes apart rather than one threaded post.

Yep a robots.txt might absolutely be the way to go. 🫡

tumblr has a robots.txt per each blog, maybe you can implement something like that?

That's how it should be, people will be taking advantage of social media and be plagiarising people's work.

It's quite a good idea. Data and information protection in this age and time is a goal!

A great many people have no idea what "crawling their data with a robots.txt file" means. How can you have a discussion if no one knows, unless you're an advanced techie, what you are talking about?

it is not explicitly addressed in the TOS

I imagine this would be the case for the app view but the whole point of the protocol means the data is public and available to be used by other apps and services. It’s virtually impossible to stop bad actors from using public data how they want.

@georgehotz.bsky.social FYI

"uglify" the posts for scrapers

Thank you Please don't. And if possible please make a way to keep politics out of our algorithm I'm tired of it from both sides and I don't want to see any of it

Thank you! I've passed the word on creator platforms I visit or use.

Nobody wants to see AI generated space pics or art like you're seeing with some large account followings. Follow for real non AI space pics.

Solid decision!

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That was some cutesy bait and switch bullshit right there.

Thank you!!

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But… we can’t actually stop others from doing it if they really want to.

Very good to hear. Please don't give in to pressure down the road.