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that's extremely unfair! some of them are incels

because nobody else will

oh that’s why they’re all miserable and want all life to end

Interesting definition.

This is literally the least surprising part of this reveal

Oh, I thought it was because they all get off on the idea of AI fucking them.

It's always nerdasses who didn't get laid until their early 30s, so now it's just this army of "yeaah wer havin SHEX now, what do you think bout dat? We're some crazy LIBERTINES now with the ~office bacchanal~, bro" I could not have sex for 10 years & still be less of a virgin, it's pretty crazy

Are they all adults?

Small wonder, seeing J. K. Rowling is a liberal centrist and thus out to cling to the status quo like a desperate limpet. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUE...

I've been thinking about this article since it came out. Nobody knew who these weirdos were but I DID. harpers.org/archive/2015...

Learn how to do it from them? I dunno. Anyway the whole thing was unbelievably stupid because it relied on taking Roko’s Basilisk seriously as your prior because that was literally the only leverage the ai could have over you. Just say no to it, genius!

OOOOH, *that* fanfic. The one I thought was a good read when it first started but went off the rails after like 50 chapters

I fought my way through a few chapters and it was the most smug, self-congratulatory fiction of any kind I've ever read.

This is six times longer than any book should be. And it’s not a book!

Scientology 2.0

I’m also remembering the hpmor twilight spinoff fic by someone in that circle

I haven't even been in the fandom in decades, but off the top of my head I can still think of multiple other Harry Potter fanfics that would be more fit for purpose as a central source text!

Wow, that fanfic started out as a fun little satire that played with the wizarding stuff in some interesting ways, but just went off into meandering stupid. I did like that all the murdered unicorns were recognizable My Little Pony characters tho.

yeah like do we wanna talk about the Congo section

Still good to know who they are youtu.be/9mJAerUL-7w

like, there's plenty enough to talk about without even touching the zizians

Would they qualify as a sect of the broader denomination? Curious for actual religious studies lens on this, too.

Like Roko's Basilisk as a thought experiment would have been instantly discarded if it had been brought up in an undergrad Philosophy class and had to endure probing questions from a professor and other students.

like training an LLM on data generated by an LLM?

Yep, and they're actually idiots who confuse signs for their signifers.

I thought I was pretty knowledgeable in these things, but wth is a Zizian? 🥴

So they're "sperm donors"

I didn't, but of course it's this

Faine I cannot tell you how much I did NOT want to know more about the sex part.

No, no i do not. Thank you.

[blinks in asexual]

Come'on if the internet is not here insure your gangbang party is going to be a banger then what is it really good for?

Yes, the American AI industry is massively intertwined with the people who brought you Aella’s birthday gangbang. Because they are a millenarian AI-worshipping sex cult who now have billions of dollars.

Why are all the bad things connected?

We’ve known for decades:

Aight then!

simply an awful day to be able to read

I've been hearing about the wild, misogynistic Silicon Valley sex and drugs parties for at least ten years now. Totally not surprising. www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01...

So sorry that I learned about this

Ziz' blog was extremely explicit about transphobia at MIRI

The cryptocurrency cult overlaps. Sam Bankman-Fried and the rest of the FTX crowd are co-religionists. Partly why you hear a bit less about EA this year.

In some ways, the Zizians are what you get if you take the AI apocalypse doomers at their word, mixed with the effects of extreme sleep deprivation as praxis.

I gather they're not followers of Žižek

I can't remember the language specifically, but I think Evans here is also careful to point out that Zizians are a symptom, not the disease

Except it’s so over the top that anyone reading with a critical eye sees right through it. These are our best and brightest?

So like 50 shades of grey but much darker?

Didn't they try to stuff the ballots of a literary award with it?

kind of like how a lot of those weirdos were thrust into Aella I guess, but somehow even less sexy

But what actually happens is that Harry encounters concepts and theories in magic, ones that have been developed over centuries by experts and which provably work, and says "hmm, that contradicts my preconceptions, and so must be wrong."

This was in 2012, mind you. That school shut down, in large part because other schools were better at tracking student outcomes. We never got a unique student identifier.

I tried reading that back in college when some LiveJournal friends of friends were into it and I couldn't even make it through the first chapter. I thought it was really pretentious and boring, it reminded me of the worst guys in my philosophy and ethics classes.

Lmao the quiverfull Calvinist neighbors I had way back when loved this, seems like it has a real lure for sex cultists.

It's also an illterate fanfic. It's premised on the wizarding world in Harry Potter not having gone through the Enlightenment. About a decade and a half ago I posted on a fanfic site pointing out all the Enlightenment-style institutions present in the text. That turned into a months-long shitshow.

Guessing it's the Russian one that helped inspire the Ukraine invasion, but I would believe other options, including the original source text.

My first assumption would be the infamous "My Immortal", which has its own wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Immo...

JFC, What the fuck is this? Wish dot com Sutter Kane?

this sounds like any million fanfics someone wrote to insert like libertarianism into some popular franchise what an insane thing to hold up with seriousness

Even the plot summary is painful to read

NONONONO

Fuck hairy potter and fuck the asshole writer.. I won't, wouldn't and won't. FUCK it all

Every time I open BlueSky I learn something more about the big Powerful people and what they’re really up to and I can’t find words for how it makes me feel. Very not good

You know I thought I had read this but apparently what I actually read was some portion of Harry Potter and the Natural 20 and thank goodness

I read the first chapter of this like when it came out and it was so bad. Like I understand now that there's some value in poking holes in JK Rowling's world, but it was just painful to read. Looking back, I 100% can see the connection here, "you can outsmart even magic if you're Rational Enough".

I gasped!

I saw the first word and immediately said 'NOO!' loudly, alone in my kitchen. Maddening, in a literal sense.

The amount of damage Jowling Kowling has done to the noosphere would make Sheev Palpatine green with envy. Which is why in MY fanfic…

@earational.bsky.social who knew that a fictional boy wizard would lead to so much actual evil in the world

brb, staring into wall for a bit

I would argue there Bible is Nick Bostrom's book Super Intelligence, but other then that... Yes fully agree.

Especially because, yeah, it was really good fanfic, but I mean COME ON

OH MY GOD I remember reading this fanfic, like, ten years ago. It was cute, I guess? Not something I'd read more than once, and I don't see what's super special about it. Huh. These people really are weird.

I read this several years ago and found it interesting, but I didn’t make it my personality.

Entirely because there's more "potential humans" in the Xeelee Sequence, nevermind that the overwhelming vast majority of them have horrifying lives.

Basically all these people fucking love Banks.

I remember thinking the first few pages were kind of fun, but that it quickly turned into an unbearable slog.

(Long ago I could have drifted incelwards except that it never occurred to me that my failure to meet people was somehow supposed to be *their* fault rather than mine. Saved by low self esteem?)

The last few years have been wild as someone who knew about Yudkowsky from this fic and nothing else

Wild, whacky stuff.

I hate it here.

How have I never heard of this Potter Shrugged bullshit before

So, a normal Rick and Morty episode?

Oh definitely not

To be fair to the weirdos, I think a lot of people would be sexing all over the place if they were high as a kite and thought the world was about to end

Aella Paella

They're also idiots

oh yeah there’s tons of drugs

Sounds like a bleak (but fascinating) read. Can you send the link.

Oh they are fucking us all

Yep. It's so mondaine to be killed by a few ppm of CO2

I have heard such things! Michael Lewis in his book about SBF, though, says that, re: polyamory, “they certainly tried every position in Settlers of Cataan.” Not sure how substantiated this sex stuff is. Also, good for them if true.

Poly