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Both Palestinians and ethnic Jews are Semitic peoples. However, anti-Semitism is a word that specifically refers to hatred of Jewish people, even though they are not the only Semites.

Boohoo Netanyahu says being mean to him personally is the same thing as antisemitism. It’s not. Also, Netanyahu is assho.

I'm just annoyed with how they do absolutely no work to try and argue why this is antisemitic anymore. It's completely taken-for-granted and assumed, and they act like you're crazy if you don't get it.

It’s anti-genocide, not antisemitic. You’d think Israel, of all countries in the world, would be anti-genocide. It shouldn’t be a high bar to clear. (Of course the US also fails at this.) That’s why countries like Ireland that experienced attempted genocide by colonizers are also anti-genocide.

I see no " expression of hatred toward Jews", rather I see an expression of hatred towards the "actions" of the Israeli state against another. It's not antisemitic.

It's not antisemitic. It's anti dropping bombs on people, who live in the rubble, that's left of their homes, people whos ONLY fault is, that they live in Gaza. It is not antisemitism. It's anti Netanyahu and his war. Netanyahu is a jew, in the same way, Trump is a christian. When it pays off!!

The war in Gaza is, in many ways, like the Iraq War - in that, if you point out the many ways war crimes have been committed by the US/Israel, that alone constitutes hating America/Jews.

Because Jews have twisted the meaning of ‘antisemitic.’

This is a common tactic with genociders. It will nearly always be framed as self defense and actually you're the one doing violence to me. A good recent example is the buildup to the Rwandan genocide which was characterized by Hutu Power types as national self defense.

That's what brainwashing does. Decades of brainwashing and now you only need to have frown face and say Israel and shitstorm is ready.

Equating anything pro-Palestinian with antisemitism corrupts the meaning of antisemitism and makes all Jews less safe in the world.

Uncomplicated true statements.

Kneecap is fucking awesome! I loved them before this and I love them more now! Everybody should see their movie!

One darkly amusing thing here is that Kneecap are an overtly political Irish-language hiphop group who boast about drug use and "criminal" activity. They only got US visas because they're white and the Irish are assumed friendlies. If DHS had looked into them for 5 seconds it woulda been "hell no"

The thing is that there is so little information coming out of Israel that it is difficult to make conclusions if and to what extent do the Israeli support what is being done «  in their name ». There were protests and dissent there as well.

Agreed. Just because 'Socrates is a man, does not mean that all men are Socrates.'

As are the thousands of Israelis protesting inside Israel

Absolutely agree.

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Israel is not all Jews. I detest Israel, but respect REAL Jews.

“A country is senselessly murdering thousands and thousands of people.” “Oh, so you hate Jews, then?” This is the waffles and pancakes argument.

About Kneecap?

There are Jewish people who freely criticize Zionism and the Israeli state, and promote ending atrocities in Gaza against Palestinians. And there are also many who equate any criticism of Israel, Zionism, or the attacks on Palestinians as equal to antisemitism. The latter are oppressors.

“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Nazi.” genocidal edition.

"America is being run, overrun and destroyed by salivating power-hungry oligarchs and *their* corrupt officials, swept into power and supported by the under-educated masses they have brainwashed." In the same context, this is anti-Christian. I feel the same. You're not misunderstanding anything.

Blessings to Kneecap. Never a truer word written! I’m with them.

Trussia is always using tropes

Evangelical Christians love calling stuff antisemitic, when deep inside they want a holy war in the Middle East, because somehow it will magically bring Jesus back. They're just fanning the flames of hate.

Which is what I said.

Actually, no, because Zionism is a colonial philosophy based in taking land away from people in Palestine. So it's not actually possible to believe that and not want to ethnically cleanse Palestine. Zionism is Nazism rebranded.

So I'm going to suggest you find out a bit more first. But it is entirely possible to believe you should live in a place and not believe you have to murder anyone else to do so. You can also believe everyone should believe what you believe without murdering anyone.

wait wait first of all this is the baseline understanding I have of Zionism, just so we're on the same page

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That’s a heady mix of statements of varying veracity. Prior to 48, there was conflict as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_He...

I hope you feel bad that the Nazi account on here liked your reply

Yeah, it is amazing how everyone saying homeland means EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to a homeland. The most antisemitic message is the one of exclusive right to a homeland; thats what creates antisemitism to begin with, because no human have exclusive rights to any land anywhere.

Thinking Israel has a right to genocide Palestinians, who are semites, is anti-semitic

A lot of people don't like the idea of an ethnostate. Regardless though, most anti-zionists actually mean they are against the current Israeli project: creating a 'homeland' through removing and slaughtering the inhabitants of an already populated area.

Try again genocide apologist. #IsraelIsATerroristState

Zionists want to move European people into the Jewish homeland based on their religion, and anyone there is dirt under their bootheel. Why are they participating in Eurovision competitions if they are Middle Eastern? Because they are part of the white supremacist plan. Doesn't take a PhD to see it.

There's a really funny thing you should consider doing.

Why didn't the Roma get a homeland after WWII? They were victimized and genocided just as much as the Jews were.

That is incorrect

no you got it backwards. it's zionism itself that's antisemitic.

FFS get a grip. That BS doesn't wash with anyone in the world any more. We are anti war crimes and anti genocide. That makes us anti-Zionist

You sound like you’d be a huge fan of manifest destiny ^^

your righteous homeland is hell, Bill

The Vatican?

Islam.

Israel has slaughtered at least 61,000 Gazans, and continues to steal land from Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel is morally bankrupt. No decent person can support Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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It’s not. They say that to try to silence criticism of Israel.

“Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine. Fuck the Russian Orthodox Church.” 🤨

I hate how Israel shit has made it so I need to say “wait, what was the hate speech?” And 9/10 times it’s about Israel and that country’s army/political actions. I’m honestly shocked the National Review posted the statement up top.

Israel is not a religion, Netanyahu is a war criminal, treat him like one!!

Well the first clue would be the top line, where it says, “National Review.”

It isn't not there are people who believe if you support Palestine or is people against the atrocities of Israel, you are. A friend of mine who is Jewish attacked me when I said I support Palestine against the atrocious of Israel like killing innocent people and kids in hospitals and schools

The readership thinks the violence is mostly misattributed. They think any fire is from a missile launched by Hamas that fell short. Many do. They think that images are old, or are of children killed by Hamas. Some are. They see the hatred of Israel, and aren't aware of the genocide.

Hmm

You are correct. Criticizing the State of Israel and its actions is distinct from antisemitism. It is complicated since support for the State grew out of the reaction to the Holocaust. So support for the State and revulsion of antisemitism being entwined.

Anonymous should go to town on the national review

That is not antisemitic.

The right still unable to disambiguate between a nation, state and religion.

Sounds like free speech to me

"Stating facts is antisemitic" is a crazy antisemitic thing to say.

Or Russia

Only if Israel is doing the killing...

That's easy, bad faith

It isn't antisemitic.

It’s a bad faith interpretation that just affirms the bigotry of those who consume it. On some level, even the dumbest Zionist knows this is bullshit.

"It's antisemitic to be against genocide" is one of the most antisemitic things one could say.

This is so obviously propaganda it's insane. Literally 1984

It’s b.s., and it undermines everyone anywhere who tries to point out *actual* antisemitism.

Semantic drift is real, words mean what they are used to express. Anti-semitic needs an added dictionary definition as "opposing genocide or war crimes" exp "hip hop trio knee cap won the nobel peace prize for the anti-semitic work opposing the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Israel and Palestine"

I agree.

Any criticism of Israel=antisemitism in the eyes of the deluded right. Justified criticism or not. No critical thinking skills at all.

“Opposing human rights atrocities is antisemetic” Is this meant to garner our support? Incomprehensible Zionists are blood-soaked maniacs honestly

ALL of Ireland stands with the Palestinians, not just the nationalists.

The Northern Irish resistance were not 'nationalists', they are patriots, antifascists, antiracists and friends of all oppressed people. They are the honour of the Irish people and why people around the world love them.

Lying about the fact that there is a genocide against Palestinians is literally anti-semitic

Just like there is a genocide against Palestinians, who are semites, and therefore also denying the genocide against them is also anti-semitic.

So what's antisemitic depends on your own definition of genocide. Do I have it correct?

They are right

It is not. It's an opinion.

What else can you expect from the Nationalist Review, though?

"Antisemitism" has been redefined from "hating or persecuting Jews" to "criticising the Israeli government." This seems to have been going on at least as long as Netanyahu has been in power.

This has gone further back. I remember back in the early 2000s the same issues when Israel was blocking off the coast. There is a different between a Government and a Religion that needs to be separate

That's not antisemitic at all. Nothing bad is said about the Jewish people. Many Moslims, Christians and non Jews were born in Israël. Jews aren't the problem, Netanyahu and his monsters are the problem. I know many Jews that are disgusted by the genocide taking place in Gaza.

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Criticising Israel IS Antisemitism. Not immolating Semitic people in tents though. That's just absurd.

It would be more convincing if they just didn't quote what it said. I wouldn't believe them, but at least I wouldn't be sure.

I hadn't thought of it but you're right. You can be anti-Israel but not anti-Jew. Makes perfect sense.

"Anti-semitism" was a name made up by European Jew haters to make their hatred of European Jews sound better to them. Everyone knows that "Anti-semitism" is hatred of Jews, specifically.

The accusation of "antisemitism" is not being made in good faith, that's why.

It’s not even criticism. Failure to praise and endorse is antisemitism.

honestly... at this time if they are defining anti-semitism this way, then fuck it. I'm an anti-semite. And all the other jews who are standing up for Palestine are anti-semites as well. The whole world is anti-semitic! Let's dilute the term so it no longer holds value.

As others said, there are people who equate criticism of the country of Israel with the Jewish people. That's how that message gets interpreted as antisemetic. It's one of my personal pet peeves. The country of Israel is not above criticism and people who criticise it are not antisemites.

They believe it because they want to believe it.

Statement about a country. Factual statement. Nothing antisemite about it.

It implies Palestinian Liberty depends on Israel. The Palestinian's in Gaza are under siege by Hamas. Note, the Palestinians in West Bank (controlled by the PA) aren't under siege. It also assumes the writer is only focused on freedom for Palestinian's; and ignores other conflicts.

This statement is anti-genocide, not anti-semetic.