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This is a psyop. Kirk costume person either lives in a basement or takes GOP money.

Sneaky Pete's a hard NO for many reasons.

From 12 until 18 I was in denial about being bisexual (just “gay” to me then). For months I‘d pray for God to “heal me or take me”. That younger version of me would’ve taken a pill. And I’m in my late 20s!

In my favorite high school movie (Mean Girls), Regina told people at school that Janice was a lesbian. The RUMOR about Janice was so traumatizing for her that, years later, she encouraged Cady to sabotage Regina. In the musical remake that came out recently, they omitted the lesbian subplot.

I grew up in uber-liberal Boston, and when I was in high school, I knew of two different kids who were *literally* kicked out of their homes because they were gay. A third kid took his life; the rumors around school was that he was also gay, contributing to his decision.

I never thought there was anything wrong with me.

Yeah that's like the one thing that's NOT wrong with Buttigeig

Also pretty weird how much heat Buttigieg gets on this versus Bessent, whose sexuality I barely hear about, despite him being a genuine monster

Ostensibly left wing people do this with women constantly

And I think that blaming closeted gay men for homophobia is misguided when the overwhelming majority of homophobes are 100% straight people who get off on condemning people for indulging in a “sin” that they have never been tempted to commit.

I hope my Rod Dreher comments weren't too mean-spirited...

I hope you won't be deterred, I made a comment once which I regretted making when a gay person who I respected told me that it hurt her that I said it and well I haven't made any comments like that since, these conversations do move people.

When people say shit like he did it simply proves that he doesn't know ANY gay people who trust him enough to have an open discussion with him. Or he would know better. What a load of horseshit. Fuckin' rage-baiters.

Yeah I mean it was quite literally mine even when I was becoming comfortable with it in high school. I remember saying basically that exact thing

It’s nothing to to with who he is as a gay man, and everything to do with how he cloaks himself in the ideals of young people while upholding none of it, and benefiting from the institutions which have harmed us most. To peers he is a self-serving snake claiming entitlement to their allegiance.

Personally I simply wouldn't say "yuck" about any kinds of gayness.

Pre-gay marriage that is.

This is also the same people who're underappreciating same sex marriage being recognized by SCOTUS.

Can I interest you in a scolding lecture about your cowardice from someone half your age?

Just because he's a dipshit doesn't mean he doesn't know any better or that he's misguided. He's just a prick.

Saaed Jones’s beautiful memoir described how there was no gap between “gay” and “AIDS” in his teenaged understanding of what lay ahead, and how he felt doomed before he began.

The world could afford to give people more grace and understanding. Just my thought on the matter.

It was told to me by my friends that later came out that being a gay teen was very, very hard in the 90’s, especially when there was a strong undercurrent of meanness in American culture. The 90’s liked putting targets on people’s backs.

Not too many of those running around being part of the problem (mournfully).

I'm 51 and I can think of two gay men I know older than 60 that I've actually talked to back in the '80s. They were friends of my dad who lived (and still lives) in San Francisco. San Francisco being the key here.

cant relate ive always wished i had a ray that could make everyone else a queer freak. i knew "normal" fucking sucked since i was like 6 and i got yelled at for starting to eat when my food came and nobody elses was there yet.

Oh, right. His first job out of college. He was building spreadsheets for their account managers but left after 3 years because he found the work unrewarding (He’s been in public service ever since.) That’s like blaming the kid working the ticket booth at Disneyland for all the sins of Disney Corp.

Iowans learn to count and/or sketchy consultants use working software challenge:

white gay men can be a little transphobic, as a treat

he actively and intentionally enabled Elon Musk more than any other political official from 2021-2025, for starters

This isn't a 💪 flex 🙄🤦‍♀️

This is madness. Pete isn't saying he wants to be straight *now*. He grew up at a time when this was common - and in many communities it still is.

Clinton: “we’re going to make it so gay people can serve openly“ generals: “no” Clinton: “?!” various senior senators: “you heard them, no open gays”

And where a straight kid was famously run out of town for having AIDS.

And he was raised Catholic, going to Catholic schools, and in one of the most Catholic areas of the country - the church’s whole having gay thoughts isn’t a sin but acting on them is leads pretty much directly to desperately wishing you weren’t gay

They legitimately don't know it was a legal term and people have DIED and had their deaths be legally fine because of this

*heavy sigh*

Oh, and Free software. As in Freedom.

Huge shout out to Gen X for that.

I think @cstross.bsky.social's "Glasshouse" is GREAT for "alien levels of cultural acceptance". It is set in a culture that is like "what do you mean I can't be chibiform, nor a centaur, nor have five bodies???" Then it makes *a bunch of those people* become baseline humans with immutable gender!

And, what they don’t know about the lost generations.

Out here making people accurately defend Pete, dammit

The “Not that there’s anything wrong with it” Seinfeld episode (which looks pretty awful today) was unusually sympathetic to gay people at the time.

That ending confused the shit out of me as a kid!

I went to a Halloween party last month in which two different people, one of them in his early 20s, were dressed as Ace Ventura.

Feels like bsky.app/profile/fake... when looked from "this day" (the 'error', if it can be put that way)... 🤔

Exact same thing in Finland.

I still think this stuff should be taught in schools

not sure if they know how much progress has been made in 15 years.

It wasn’t uncommon for gay people to be completely disowned by their families for being gay. Even as they were dying of AIDS. This was the 80’s/90’s.

A lot of it really depends on where you were! I grew up in a liberal area near San Francisco and even in the 90s we had a reasonable number of "out" queer people of various descriptions. But I knew even at the time that we were more progressive than most places.

I remember we PACKED the bars to watch that episode (even in SLC).

Straight cis guy here, for what it's worth: I hadn't ever considered there are gay people today who haven't ever had the thoughts Pete said he had while younger. Though I feel they should know how common that was in the past it's kinda reassuring they themselves haven't experienced it.

Matthew Shepard and James Byrd were killed not that long ago

It saddens me deeply that this kid didn't have any elders around, and it fell to a cis straight guy to give the advice and lore they should have gotten. (That said, they were an absolutely awful housemate.)

my kids told me about some "is that your boyfriend" joking in their school cafeteria and it was understood by everyone there as no big deal. My wife and i tried explaining to them that "in our day" that would have no question caused fights that left someone bloody.

That poster is an odious bigot.

Why did Buttigieg not simply join the vast network of radical queer support groups that surely existed in *looks at Wikipedia page* 90s Indiana.

I'm not wild about his Bruce Harrell endorsement

Pete Buttigieg: I struggled with accepting my sexuality but I’m glad I eventually figured it out because I have a wonderful family now This freak: talking about his coming out journey is proof that Pete Buttigieg is Gollum

a few months ago I explained to my 41 year old lib wife that some states had anti-sodomy laws on the books until Lawrence vs Texas. both anti-sodomy laws and Lawrence vs Texas were news to her.

No one under 40 or so was sexually active during a time before effective antiretrovirals existed. Add in the modern existence of PreP and it’s no surprise people don’t have conception of the 80s and 90s.

Lady at my church: What do you mean, you can't tell your own mother you're bi? Me: ::smiling::: Well, there's a reason I changed churches...

there are people i knew who are no longer with us because they felt suicide was easier than coming out i am not gay but this shit makes me genuinely angry

All of this is huge. My trans sister is 10 years younger than me and I am so thankful she is the the nextgen. I remember both gay marriage passing and the watershed “it gets better” campaign.

It's not as though there isn't an ongoing epidemic of self-harm among queer teenagers today! But the ability to make that conceptual connection, separates those for whom those are kids to be loved and helped, and those for whom those are cudgels to be used to bludgeon the infidels into submission.

I would say it's a universal gay experience, every single gay person has a period of time, where they wish they could be straight because we have a homophobic society, for GenZ and now Alpha kids that period might be shorter, but every single one has cried that they can't turn straight at least once